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re: All Max Johnson Plays

Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66033 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:23 pm to
I think Max is a good young player with a lot of potential and who knows he may have improved enough to start but some people took his huge improvement over Finely and projected that comparison onto Brennan instead.
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
3774 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 3:43 pm to
Is it just me or does he struggle passing beyond 5 yards?
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
3774 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 3:45 pm to
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geez that Oline play is terrible.


I saw Dare get beat about 314 times
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66033 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 3:57 pm to
Simply made up out of pure bias
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33506 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 4:43 pm to
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He was true freshman out there looking as good as someone who’s been with the team for 4 years. He’s got a lot of talent.



Thats the thing that always stands out about max to me. He already knows the reads and knows exactly where to go with the ball.
Posted by Kajuntiger121110
Member since Aug 2020
1063 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 5:16 pm to
These NIL deals aren't "minor". A brand new F-250 costs about 70k, he's signed on with CANES, and he's partnered with Game coin
Posted by Doby
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2014
2125 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 6:53 pm to
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Completely false. You guys either didn’t watch the games or were too drunk to remember them and just ran with this false narrative because of bias.


Myles was scared and overwhelmed while simultaneously slinging the rock very well. See my earlier statements. First half prayer of a touchdown pass was the literal impetus of the aforementioned. Btw, was definitely very drunk for that game, how could anyone not have been?!

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Brennan escaped pressure often, took huge hits delivering accurate throws while stepping up and made downfield strikes on the run multiple times.


This is where I think you may have Max confused with Myles. If I had a nickel for every time myself or anyone in my immediate proximity yelled at the top of their lungs, “step up” I’d have about $3.50. There is a bevy of analyst reviews of the game or even highlights to examine should you need a reference. Hell, one analyst even says, “if you’re an anti Myles Brennan guy here’s all the proof you need, lol. It was abysmal from a QB pocket awareness standpoint. Literally running into sacks outside the pocket and clearly affected by attrition. Guy had a QBR of 45 with 2 INTs, sacked 7 times (wtf!), and threw up a cross the body opposite side of the field, “holy shite please don’t hit me” pass for a TD that would have been a INT if our 6’5” 250lb TE didn’t out jump everyone in the stadium to catch.

Moral of the story is…Myles had trouble deciphering what was going on with the front 7. The OLine wash freaked him out a little bit and showed his panicked nature.

ETA was grammar.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 6:55 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66033 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:20 pm to
Lol you’re basing all this on you claiming to have the ability to assume what’s in his mind and his processing things during plays. I’ve heard of folie a deux but I don’t think it’s voluntary so I can’t actually enter your delusions. I’m afraid the film is more reliable than your biased recollections and fantasies.
Posted by Doby
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2014
2125 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:36 pm to
Ok
Posted by Choot em Tiger
Member since Jan 2012
10214 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:26 pm to
He was 100x better when he had time (obviously). We also had no rushing game whatsoever. Line is going to have to man up in the interior and let Davis Price and Emery make plays.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51796 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 9:48 pm to
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what should of been!

WTF does that even mean? Should of?
Posted by kennison587
Member since Jul 2021
58 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:49 pm to
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I like Max, but if you strip away the runs and do an “all-passes” version then it’s not really that great. At this point he runs well, but good teams will just make him throw and that’ll be an issue unless he improves quite a bit.


This. The board is so high on the guy and for what... the ability to run faster than Brennan?

Then again this board was high on TJ.
Posted by kennison587
Member since Jul 2021
58 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:50 pm to
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Dude is legit. A thrown shoe Saved LSU from becoming the first team to have a losing season following a national championship.Not to mention he helped LSU secure a top tier recruiting class. Max is a solid QB and is ready to take over


FIFY
Posted by Purple Tiger King
Member since Jan 2021
2016 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:57 pm to
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I like Max, but if you strip away the runs and do an “all-passes” version then it’s not really that great.


Some of you people place entirely too much emphasis on passing. Nonetheless, passing is just one single aspect of being a quality QB, and in my opinion, Max was significantly better than Myles in all other aspects.

Not to mention, as much as you guys claim Myles is the better passer, which is what you guys also all said when Burrow was passing for 76%, when you look at both QBs numbers from last season side by side, Myles' numbers were only very slightly marginally better. Indeed, their numbers were extremely close and even though Max didn't have the benefit of Terrace Marshall and Arik Gilbert in his last two games.

I would have thought that a five-year senior QB's stats would be astronomically far better relative to a brand new true freshman QB fresh out of high school, with hardly any reps to transition to the SEC, courtesy of the Covid Pandemic, but they weren't. As Myles passing numbers were only very slightly marginally better than Max. I mean, it was extremely close.

Nonetheless, I would bet that after an entire off-season of coaching and getting comfortable with the position, the offense, and his new team that Max's numbers at the time Myles broke his arm, were a lot better than Myles.

Which is why all the insiders who talk to the players in the locker room were all saying that Max has separated himself from Brennan both in the locker room and on the field.

I mean Ed O said as much as well on WWL last month when he said, he, his coaching staff, and all the players in the locker room know who the impending QB is.

In fact, Max Johnson had made it perfectly clear that he wasn't going to transfer even if he didn't win the QB derby. Hence, there was nothing standing in the way of Ed O naming Myles the starter, but he didn't. Why? Because Max was the impending starter.

Meanwhile, the reason why TJ got the nod before Max last season is because BLM insanity was percolating throughout the country and including at LSU and it was poisoning everything. I mean it was an election year. Indeed, they did the BLM routine in 2016, they did it again in 2020, and they will inevitably do it again in 2024. Meanwhile, they were looking for anything they could to exploit for maximum benefit.

Hence, if Ed O had made the mistake of starting Max Johnson over TJ Finley, Ed O and LSU would have been crucified on the fake news as mega racist for months on end.

Indeed, Ed O waited until it was extremely obvious to everyone that TJ couldn't handle the job before he finally replaced him with Max, even though it was already very obvious for several games that TJ couldn't handle the job.

Then when Max finally takes over, boom the offense takes off again.
Posted by Ugozuna
FL
Member since Jan 2009
531 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:11 pm to
Pocket presence as a freshman was impressive for Max - Myles forced throws on pressure - Max seems calm jmo
Posted by GerryDiNardo
Bringing Back The Magic!
Member since Mar 2004
5771 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:17 pm to
Missed some first quarter and second quarter plays from Max against A&M.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:22 am to
He needs to stop throwing off his back foot and trust his reads. He looked every single part like a freshman being thrown to the wolves.

I honestly don't know what a lot of you are watching. He had a nasty habit of not taking the quick open route, stepping backwards, and throwing inaccurately off his back foot. Again, not bashing because it's what you'd expect from a true freshman.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 8:25 am
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
10740 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:39 am to
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Some of you people place entirely too much emphasis on passing. Nonetheless, passing is just one single aspect of being a quality QB,


Its the biggest aspect of the position.

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as much as you guys claim Myles is the better passer, which is what you guys also all said when Burrow was passing for 76%


yeah right. Myles has a better arm, but that doesn't mean he's a better passer.
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I would have thought that a five-year senior QB's stats would be astronomically far better relative to a brand new true freshman QB fresh out of high school, with hardly any reps to transition to the SEC, courtesy of the Covid Pandemic, but they weren't. As Myles passing numbers were only very slightly marginally better than Max. I mean, it was extremely close.


Myles needed experience and he would have gotten better as the year went on.

Max's 2020 was better than Burrow's 2018. Would you have advocated that he start over Burrow if he'd come in a year earlier?

I want the best player to play, but some of you are actively rooting for Myles to fail and its such shite. (not saying you are)
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17031 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:14 am to
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My takeaways:
1) Max had better speed on his throws than I remember, at least later in the year.
2) Damn, he could easily have had another 6 interceptions.
3) Gilbert was a beast.
4) As a passer, not as great as I remember.
5) As bad as our offense was last year, Ole Miss was far worse. Max had all day to throw and they completely lost Boutte on several plays.

Agreed, another thing I noticed is that he needs to have better awareness of the 1st down marker. In a lot of those plays you see him check down on 3rd and long. And when he scrambled, it looks like he often goes out of bounds before getting the 1st down.

Definitely going to miss Gilbert this year. I think we all forgot how good he was after he quit and ran home.
Posted by cj2002
louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2034 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:15 am to
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Be a little bit thankful for what tj did for us.


If you have no problem with 2 or 3 interceptions a game, TJ was great. I would like to not have to overcome self-inflicted injuries like that. More times than not that will get you beat.
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