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re: A snapshot of Alex Bregman in 2025

Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:16 pm to
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career WAR

They will never use this bullshite metric to determine Hall of Fame. Get the hell out of here with this bullshite.
He should’ve won MVP when they gave it to that a-hole with the angels. With that, the standard is still number of hits, career batting average, number of gold gloves, number of all pro, number of silver slugger. The shite that really matters.

And yes, he’s off to a hot start, but a lot of it is based on a competition they have played so far.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
284889 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:18 pm to
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hey will never use this bullshite metric to determine Hall of Fame.


Posted by TulsaTiger
Tulsa
Member since Oct 2015
114 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:25 pm to
I get it we all love Bergman but no way he makes the HOF
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28068 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:26 pm to
By the way, that metric has been around for 30 years. Many argue that the validity of the metric is poor since it is relative to a player on your team.

Here ya go from AI. The last paragraph is what the Baseball Writers use. Not WAR

While Wins Above Replacement (WAR) attempts to quantify a player's overall value in baseball, it's not without its flaws and can be seen as a flawed metric for several reasons. Specifically, WAR oversimplifies complex performance factors, making it less precise than some individual offensive or defensive stats. Furthermore, different sources calculate WAR differently, leading to variations in the same player's score.
Here's a more detailed look at the issues:
1. Oversimplification and Lack of Nuance:
WAR tries to combine offensive and defensive contributions into a single number, which can obscure the unique strengths a player brings to a team.
It doesn't account for specific types of offensive or defensive contributions, like power, speed, or fielding ability, which are important for understanding a player's overall value.
For example, two players could have similar WAR but one might be a superior hitter while the other is a superior defender.
2. Inconsistent Calculation and Measurement Errors:
Different sources, like FanGraphs and Baseball-Reference, calculate WAR differently, leading to variations in the same player's score.
Even within a single source, there can be potential measurement errors that affect the final WAR number.
3. Focus on "Replacement" and Potential for Misinterpretation:
WAR is based on the concept of replacing a player with a "replacement-level" player at their same position.
This assumes that a player's value is solely based on how much better they are than the replacement, which can be misleading.
For example, a player might be a great defender but a poor hitter, and WAR might not fully capture their value if they are replaced by a player who is average in both areas.
4. Over-Reliance on WAR as a "Final Answer":
Some fans and analysts treat WAR as the definitive measure of a player's value, which can lead to neglecting other important aspects of their performance.
WAR can be a useful tool for comparison, but it should not be the only factor considered when evaluating a player.
5. Limited Ability to Distinguish Subtle Differences:
WAR is a broad metric, and it's difficult to use it to distinguish between players who are very close in value.
For example, a player with 6.4 WAR might be considered essentially equal to a player with 6.1 WAR, despite some differences in their underlying performance.
In Conclusion:
While WAR can be a valuable tool for evaluating player performance, it's important to recognize its limitations and avoid over-relying on it as a definitive measure of a player's worth. It's best used as a guide for separating groups of players, rather than as a precise estimate of their value. Other metrics, like individual offensive and defensive stats, should also be considered when assessing a player's overall contribution to a team.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Member since Dec 2006
36283 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:30 pm to
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They won’t let him in because he’s a cheating sob


Bruh, take this type of posting and shove in everyone’s face as much as you can. Because it’s true, no matter how badly they want to justify it
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28068 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:46 pm to
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Bruh, take this type of posting and shove in everyone’s face as much as you can. Because it’s true, no matter how badly they want to justify it

Bruh
One season doesn’t make a career and for the s record, so was DJ LeMeheiu, and every NYY in 2017 as well as Red Sox as well as the other 30 teams that got notes.
If the cheating happened MLB knew about it because they sent letters to every team. Then these dumbasses want to cover as they always have and “blame the players or teams”. This is no different than the steroid era. It wasn’t an issue then when people found out it all blew up. Baseball has been the same for 150 years. Everything is allowed that grows the game unt is if found out, then it isn’t. Then the “purists” act high and mighty and talk “integrity of the game while taking in the freaking $$$.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284889 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:53 pm to
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the way, that metric has been around for 30 years. Many argue that the validity of the metric is poor since it is relative to a player on your team. Here ya go from AI. The last paragraph is what the Baseball Writers use. Not WAR


you don’t know what WAR is
Posted by BeachDude022
Premium Elite Platinum TD Member
Member since Dec 2006
36283 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:55 pm to
You took the bait.
Posted by cartig
Member since Feb 2010
3344 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:56 pm to
Just hit his 8th HR .
Posted by GolfIsGood
Member since Jun 2017
291 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:58 pm to
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Scott Rolen is in the HOF at 3B. ABs career numbers aren’t Rolen’s yet, but he could finish very close them depending on how much longer he plays



The problem is even if Bergman gets to comparable offensive numbers as Rolen, Rolen is not in HOF on the strength of his offensive numbers, he is an r8 time GG winner and a top 3-5 defensive third baseman of all time.

Rolens stats with Bergman’s defense is not an HOF career.

And unless Bergman cheats Father Time he is not winning 7 more GG, but if he does, then yes he will get HOF consideration.
Posted by Morpheus
In your Dreams
Member since Apr 2022
6087 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:07 pm to
Boston people will kick your arse in the street for starting slow.
Houston folks are slow and don’t care.
Posted by TexasTiger1970
Member since Nov 2023
83 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:20 pm to
I’m really happy for him…pissed me off the Astros let him go.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
98836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
43391 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:08 pm to
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Avg - 8th @ .326


Alls you need to know about how shitty MLB is these days
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10405 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:11 pm to
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Bergman

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Bergman’s

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Bergman


His name is Bregman, not Bergman/Bergman's. For fricks sake.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
17969 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:20 pm to
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Very good numbers from the best SS in school history


Not even close.

Dude named Brandon Larson won a Natty with a .381/40/118 line with 110 hits and 82 runs scored.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28068 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:01 pm to
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you don’t know what WAR

Go away little boy.

The issue is EVERY frickING SYSTEM HAS THEIR OWN set of measures to calculate WAR. IT IS ALL SUBJECTIVE and why baseball has rejected it for HOF voting for example.

And that fricking “average player” bull shite that is supposed to be against all others is just that fricking bull shite. There are so many variables that go into every fricking potential scenario, in every fricking pitch, in every fricking play, that defines a player’s game, week, month, year and fricking career.

And this shite has been wrong for more than 30 years and every fricking body but dumb fricks that think it is new and relevant like you are so stupid that they don’t know otherwise.
Kinda like these dumb fricks think AI is new when neural networks concepts have been around for 200 fricking years.
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
7098 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:10 pm to
I’ll be in Fenway in June to watch him. Can’t wait.
Posted by Tigrdynasty
19th hole
Member since Jun 2018
2921 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:12 pm to
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Hes better than scott Rolen


That's your opinion. Has nothing to do with whether or not he gets in to the HOF
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284889 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 6:42 am to
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IT IS ALL SUBJECTIVE


How is data subjective ?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284889 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:17 am to
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why baseball has rejected it for HOF voting for example.



What are you smoking to think they don't use WAR to judge HOF candidacy ?
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