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re: A heads up to Matt McMahon
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:03 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:03 pm to GumboPot
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First CMM shouldn't be in this situation. If Woody fights for WW we are likely in the tournament with the rest of top SEC teams this season.
I didn't like it at the time because I felt given LSU's past history with coaches firing the one guy who proved he could consistently win would, more probably than not, result in LSU hopping back on the train hiring/firing multiple HC's looking for "the one". I also knew that once Wade was fired the roster was gone and the signing class/commits were gone, which meant the program was going to start from scratch. Given that likely reality I thought it was a better bet just to stick with Wade and ride out the situation. However, I understood, with the facts known at that time, why LSU chose to fire Wade.
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once Woody fired WW he gave CMM a ridiculous contract like Woody was whale hunting and all he caught was a gafftop catfish
The money wasn't big, and still isn't big (relatively speaking). The length was. McMahon was right wanting to ensure job security with the unknowns the program was facing. But that is where a savvy AD has to weigh the risk/benefits. Best case scenario, McMahon was great and LSU keeps things rolling quickly. But you also had to consider the risk that if things go poorly you have to be able to bail. I think Woodward made a "panic" hire based solely on the front sheet of the resume without doing much analysis into was this the right guy to take over the program in a rapidly changing environment of college basketball and college sports in general. It all felt rushed. McMahon admitted it was a rushed process where he had to decide quickly. That showed in his introductory press conference where he looked completely overwhelmed. Neither side thought it through much.
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Third, once the whale contract was signed Woody provided minimal support by SEC standards to help CMM get the talent he needs.
There is no way to know if this is actually true. But if it is, then it would have been known BEFORE the season started. The fact that this info only came out in late Feb, after LSU's season went to shite, conveniently ahead of a game against the other purported bottom dweller (South Carolina), who was "identified" as the other lowest funded program, makes this statement seem very skeptical.
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Not only does LSU have the burden of a shitty contract to deal with (all Woody's fault), now if they really want to compete for top talent they will have to pay top NIL dollars. If I'm a player worth $1 million on the market, it would take $1.5-$2 million to play for LSU whereas I might give Bruce Pearl or Todd Golden a 20% discount.
LSU is in a tough spot because now McMahon has a nearly 100 game record to defend on the recruiting trail (including transfers), and it is not good. You can only sell "hope and change" so long before recruits stop listening. The better, more expensive players LSU purportedly needs are going to have other suitors in the marketplace. If the money is equal or even close, it's likely those guys choose the coach/program with the more established track record of success. That means unless there is some sort of non-monetary tie (i.e. a guy from Louisiana), LSU will likely have to significantly out-bid their competitors. Even with the purported increased NIL, is it enough to significantly outbid the Auburn's, Florida's, Alabama's, etc of the world?
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Just my opinion, but I think LSU should just tank next season and don't waste money. Save the money to buyout CMM next year and then start new.
Why wait? It's not like McMahon's salary comes off the books after next year. LSU is paying it (minus ~10%) whether he coaches next season, the season after, or not. It is a sunk cost.
A new HC will provide reason for optimism. That alone will likely keep the season ticket holders in (including me). If he wins quickly, and we KNOW that is possible in the era, the program will see increased revenue. Potentially enough to offset the ~$2M LSU would have to eat by firing him this year as opposed to waiting until next season. The miss on the original decision is forgivable. Dragging it on and (purportedly) throwing good money after bad while the program sinks into a further state of apathy isn't.
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:06 pm to Basura Blanco
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LSU has already reached out to as many players in the portal as any other college.
And, in high school, I "reached out" to 80% of our cheerleaders for a prom date. McMahon, like me, will be shot down and have to settle for the leftovers.
He just need about 7 to say yes.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:47 pm to Alt26
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Alt26
Appreciate your reply. You have a better memory than I do.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:53 pm to Madking
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Again there have been multiple sources with the exact same figures yet you choose to believe someone who’s constantly caught making false statements and spreading misinformation. You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of doing.
As said earlier, LSU has given Moscona NIL information before, so wouldn’t his reporting be more plausible than your own or anyone else’s? Use some logic.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:00 pm to JWill409
quote:How about LSU potentially feeding Moscona what LSU wants him to say, not necessarily factual information.
As said earlier, LSU has given Moscona NIL information before, so wouldn’t his reporting be more plausible than your own or anyone else’s? Use some logic.
Does that track with any logic?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:05 pm to JWill409
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As said earlier, LSU has given Moscona NIL information before, so wouldn’t his reporting be more plausible than your own or anyone else’s? Use some logic.
Why would they have access to other SEC schools NIL expenditures?
Also if the discrepancy is SO big then why hasn’t woody and McMahon been hitting the ground fundraising?
I have seen jay Johnson at numerous events I have never seen McMahon.
Hell will Wade dressed up in an admirals costume
You can’t just expect the money to be given to you. You have to deliver some level of excitement and marketing
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:10 pm to Adam Banks
quote:There was a Microsoft Teams call where all 364 D-I basketball schools shared their NIL numbers in chat. I heard it was chaotic, but fun since they got to sing happy birthday to Sue.
Why would they have access to other SEC schools NIL expenditures?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:12 pm to drizztiger
Mascona also said that Underwood was coming to LSU and anybody who questioned that was stupid. He said Harold Perkins asked to be moved to MLB but later when Perkins was interviewed he said the opposite which BK confirmed. Mascona has a history of putting out false info
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:26 pm to jamarr
So sad
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:31 pm to JWill409
Mascona didn’t say LSU gave him those NIL numbers. During his radio show he said he was looking them up but he never cited anyone for the info he put out so nobody knows where he came up with the numbers he did.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:52 pm to Madking
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Mascona didn’t say LSU gave him those NIL numbers. During his radio show he said he was looking them up but he never cited anyone for the info he put out so nobody knows where he came up with the numbers he did.
No, he gave a lot of information regarding how he got the info about the 12million number about Underwood and then went on to say he is very well connected with alot of people in the NIL space and then used that to make a claim that LSU was bottom 2 in NIL spending the last season. You want to turn a blind eye to it? Ok. He's been right quite a bit regarding LSU NIL, but I guess we will never know until later. Him being right though gives a ton of context to his lack of success, and some people are so anchored in emotionally, they have no other stance to choose without being wrong. Good luck with all that.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:55 pm to JWill409
That’s a lot of spin and conflation but the fact remains he’s been wrong on multiple things and the sources contrary to him haven’t been proven wrong. Your take seems to be that since you like him he can’t be wrong. A very dangerous position when discerning facts and information.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:04 pm to Adam Banks
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Why would they have access to other SEC schools NIL expenditures?
Also if the discrepancy is SO big then why hasn’t woody and McMahon been hitting the ground fundraising?
You hit the nail on the head.
No coach/school is going to accurately know other schools' NIL expenditures. But like it or not, it's up to the HC (and his staff) to have an idea of what the market looks like and what your competitors are spending. Particularly in football and basketball the coaches, every coach, is getting leveraged by the players and their reps constantly for more and more money. It sucks, but that is the reality of the marketplace. IF, LSU is getting significantly outspent then it is McMahon's job to know that and do what is necessary to fix that inequity, as much as possible.
Coaches don't like it and I don't blame them, but a big part of their job now is "fundraising". When Wade first got the LSU job he spent the summer after being hired speaking to every group/organization/booster he could. Some of that was to simply generate fan support for the program. But moreso it was to raise funds he needed to (cough, cough) pay players. Yes, top players were being paid before NIL. That's the SOLE reason AAU exists anymore. It's a player marketplace.
McMahon doesn't want to be a fundraiser. That's fine. I understand not wanting to. But that also means he's not the guy for the job in this era. Listen to guys like Wade when he says no one at McNeese was upset about it coming out he was taking the NCSU job because they are all honest and upfront about the nature of the market. The players are basically operating on one-year contracts and they are always looking for the next, bigger deal. Listen to Rick Pitino when he says he likely won't ever go into a HS kid's living room again to recruit. He'll just go "straight to the negotiating table for transfers." The HC has to go out an get the money. Signing HS players and developing them over 3, 4, 5 years just isn't the model anymore
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:10 pm to Alt26
The NCAA put out their projection for the average P4 NIL spending next season and it’ll increase from 2.3 to 3.1mil according to them. The average football team will increase to 14.7mil so these stories about spending 8 to 10 to 12 mil on basketball just don’t make sense.
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This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:12 pm to drizztiger
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How about LSU potentially feeding Moscona what LSU wants him to say
why is LSU motivated to lie
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:14 pm to Alt26
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McMahon doesn't want to be a fundraiser. That's fine. I understand not wanting to. But that also means he's not the guy for the job in this era.
And in reality that means he’s not the guy for LSU in ANY era.
LSU needs a “personality” to get basketball out of football’s shadow
If you look at the context of the hire woody had wanted a guy for years who would be quiet sit down and shut up. McMahon fit that. Wade had the toothless ncaa snooping which scared Woodward but also was vocal about facilities which was going to cost woodward money. A quiet mellow guy like McMahon who just wanted to coach was all woodward needed to see and hear
McMahon saw zeros and P5 and jumped at it and like you said he even commented how it was rushed.
If he had taken his time I’m sure he would have found out it was not a good fit.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:17 pm to jamarr
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why is LSU motivated to lie
Woodwards ego and not being able to sell buying out one more ridiculous contract.
Making the fans feel guilty to pay more to the collective only ADDS to the AD coffers not drain them
It’s easier to sell hey I didn’t misjudge we need to pay better to the money men over “so yeah I know I gave ridiculous contracts to pelini Orgeron and y’all are starting to ask questions about Kelly BUT I need $10 million buyout+money for a new staff+ still need substantial NIL”
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:17 pm to jamarr
quote:To create a narrative.
why is LSU motivated to lie
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:29 pm to drizztiger
I know we are all dunking on MM, but let’s just think about this for a second.
How fricked up is this that there are 16 teams still playing and the portal is now open. I’m so tired of this portal shite. Contracts can’t get here soon enough.
How fricked up is this that there are 16 teams still playing and the portal is now open. I’m so tired of this portal shite. Contracts can’t get here soon enough.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:30 pm to MS_Tigers07
Just 2 years ago they at least waited until 2-3 weeks after the championship game to open the portal. It’s almost like they’re trying to create as much chaos as possible.
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