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re: A good, modern offense doesn't require a QB to "read the entire field"
Posted on 9/25/22 at 2:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/25/22 at 2:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Modern NFL offenses (which not every team runs)
So you’re picking a choosing which NFL offenses are “modern NFL offenses” by some arbitrary metric of which offenses you like the most? By definition, any offense being run in the NFL is a modern NFL offense
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Sure some QBs are more old school and want to hold the ball forever (Russ Wilson, Aaron Rodgers)
Yea man those Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers offenses sure are shite in comparison to the incredible Kyler Murray/Tua Tagovailoa offenses
sure thing
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure some QBs are more old school and want to hold the ball forever (Russ Wilson, Aaron Rodgers), but they're a dying breed.
Lafleur actually runs an offense you are talking about. Don't know why you are throwing rodgers in there.
The offense maryland ran today would be perfect for daniels and these receivers.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:26 am to shinerfan
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One of these days Little Slo is going to have relations with a lady and that'll be the end of these threads. I'm not sure which I'll miss more, the self-importance or the eager embrace of every mindless talking point that bobs up in the sewers of Reddit.
Murder.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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I am going to make a longer and more detailed thread about this tomorrow,
Don’t bother.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why has he failed to find this "modern QB" for going on 10 years now?
He is in florida?
Daniels has a hard time anticipating. Modern or not modern, I don’t give 2 shits you have to anticipate.. He has a hard time “seeing “open receivers before they are open beyond 10 yards. Throwing over the middle is where “modern offenses” make hay. Look at why the Flex TE position has exploded. That guy can split wide and still abuse LBs and safeties. They are still running 10 and killing in YAC. There are still a ton of QBs that aren’t in a constant “scramble drill”. The Rams won last season and from what I saw, Stafford didn’t “scramble” or run “scramble” drills too much.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 7:24 am
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:25 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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And why Stafford and Burrow were in the super bowl instead of Lamar Jackson.
Dude the Rams offense has 1-2 reads, just like the Shanahan offense. They scheme the primary guy open and if he's not, there will be an outlet. If that's not available, the QB moves out of the pocket and WRs have to come back to him.
Burrow is also a bad example. If his #1 read isn't open he holds the ball and plays scramble drill, just like I said. He takes a TON of sacks b/c he tries to wait for guys to get open once the initial call breaks down. If you go watch 2019 LSU, this is what Burrow routinely did, too.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:26 am to TigerFan91
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Imagine being some nerd fricking loser with 100k posts on a message board thinking he knows more about football and adapting to personnel than guys who’ve coached it for 20 years.
The same shite said about Les Miles and Orgeron
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:27 am to Rudy40
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JD is not nearly a good enough passer to start in a Lincoln Riley offense
He's on par with Jalen Hurts, who did pretty well in that offense.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:28 am to GFunk
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In short, if you think there aren’t multiple reads whether man or zone pre snap
This thread is about post snap, which is where the board shits on JD routinely.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
I wouldn't say antiquated the Miles offense was, but they certainly don't try and attack the middle of the field much.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:31 am to Chalkywhite84
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Lafleur actually runs an offense you are talking about.
If he had a different QB you'd see different play on the field. Rodgers is a stubborn guy. Hackett is from the same tree, too, but you see what Russ does. Those aren't the "pure" version of those offenses b/c the QB has a major hand in the playbook/calls (and the weight to do what the hell they want on the field).
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:34 am to Tiger1988
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Throwing over the middle is where “modern offenses” make hay.
Cool. Denbrock specifically wants his QBs not throwing there
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:and how do you know it's denbrock and not JD?
Denbrock specifically wants his QBs not throwing there
There are people running open between the hashs on every play. JD looks at them, pumps, then moves on to some other read.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Post snap goes hand in hand with pre snap. If you don’t get pre snap right then post snap is where it goes to hell in a hand basket.
Both are equally important. The ability to process information, make both reads and adjust if your pre snap read was incorrect is all important.
What’s humorous is that long before you heard of this Trent Dilfer
Blurb, you knew good and well that Saban defenses made a living off of switching looks between pre and post snap (showing man and shifting to zone and vice versa). Essentially telling you that the best to ever do it has designed his defenses for decades around the fact that there are multiple reads on every single play.
Literally defeats your regurgitation of Dilfers point…and yet you’re still holding onto it.
Kinda indicative of your personality: often wrong. But never in doubt.
Both are equally important. The ability to process information, make both reads and adjust if your pre snap read was incorrect is all important.
What’s humorous is that long before you heard of this Trent Dilfer
Blurb, you knew good and well that Saban defenses made a living off of switching looks between pre and post snap (showing man and shifting to zone and vice versa). Essentially telling you that the best to ever do it has designed his defenses for decades around the fact that there are multiple reads on every single play.
Literally defeats your regurgitation of Dilfers point…and yet you’re still holding onto it.
Kinda indicative of your personality: often wrong. But never in doubt.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
633 yards
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:44 am to SportTiger1
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and how do you know it's denbrock and not JD?
I am pretty sure Denbrock has stated as much in a PC or interview. He wants his QB focusing outside of the hash marks.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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We get Lincoln Riley instead of Kelly and then get JD to transfer. Does anyone think JD is performing like this in a Riley offense? No way.
Well Lincoln Riley got his handpicked qb to transfer to him who passed for less than 200 yards yesterday so
Lincoln probably ain’t the right guy to bring up right now
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:49 am to GFunk
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Post snap goes hand in hand with pre snap. If you don’t get pre snap right then post snap is where it goes to hell in a hand basket.
Sure, but the whole point of a creative/modern offense is making presnap easy. 2019 LSU is a great example b/c we forced teams to show man/zone and it was easy after that. Under Kelly/Denbrock, how many times has a RB/TE split out (the simplest ID play) to force the D to show its hand? I am pretty sure after 4 games it's 0 times.
We also don't use a lot of motion or split our TEs wider (not to the sideline but into the slot or perimeter as a an outside WR), either.
Our pre-snap scheme is very simple and vanilla. That's a major problem.
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you knew good and well that Saban defenses made a living off of switching looks between pre and post snap
That is rare in CFB, though. The best of the best can do this, but week in, week out we wont' face anything that complex.
We're having issues helping our QBs against vastly inferior talent and less complicated schemes.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:09 am to rocket31
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because there's like 20-25 alive in the world
That's an intensely pained definition of 'modern' then. My god.
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