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re: 4th Q TD to go ahead 17-16 - supposed to be a pass to Boutte
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:05 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:05 pm to Gravitiger
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Just ignore the 5-yard-wide hole right up the middle that doesn't require the ball to move through the air.
He got hit before the goaline. He shed the tackle but dont pretend like he just walked in.
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:07 pm to whitefoot
only question is if he makes that pass, is what Nabers doing considered to be initiating contact to be an offensive PI.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:08 pm to Gravitiger
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Just ignore the 5-yard-wide hole right up the middle that doesn't require the ball to move through the air.
Like I just posted, he didn't just walk right in. Also, there wasn't really even a hole yet while he was looking at Boutte. That should have been the end of the decision making. Lob it out to the front corner of the end zone.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:08 pm to bbap
quote:Ok. Don't pretend like he 100% nails that throw.
dont pretend like he just walked in.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:10 pm to The Egg
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only question is if he makes that pass, is what Nabers doing considered to be initiating contact to be an offensive PI.
Just from optics alone and the fact you are dealing with SEC officials I think they would have called it.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:10 pm to whitefoot
We will just agree to disagree... that is not open on that play... the rub actually pushed the defender into the flight path of the ball. Plus it shows 3 MSU guys heading toward JD.. He can't wait for the route to develop to be a lob into the corner. Not how it works.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:10 pm to Gravitiger
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Ok. Don't pretend like he 100% nails that throw.
Yeah maybe not. Kinda irrelevant though. For Daniels to be his best self, and last the entire season uninjured he has to make better decisions. He should have thrown the ball.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:12 pm to The Egg
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only question is if he makes that pass, is what Nabers doing considered to be initiating contact to be an offensive PI.
Contact is allowed within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage. It's how the play was designed. Nabers never does anything but set the pick on this play.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:12 pm to bbap
quote:It's irrelevant because he made the play he needed to make to win.
Yeah maybe not. Kinda irrelevant though. For Daniels to be his best self, and last the entire season uninjured he has to make better decisions. He should have thrown the ball.
If we're up a couple TD, got for it. Down six points, late third quarter against a good SEC secondary? Make the most conservative, confident, and probablistically sound play.
He did what he felt was most likely succeed. And it did.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:12 pm to whitefoot
In image 1 the DB has eyes on the QB and the reciever, had JD threw that ball to KB it's very likely to get swatted or pick 6 had their not been a blatant offensive hold on the pick play by MN. That ball needed to be floated to the right shoulder on the sideline of the end zone for a safe play. Without the pick KB isn't open, and by the time the pick developes there is too much pressure on JD for him to continue waiting. So he runs it.
If I had to guess JD saw a DB jumping the route that had not been picked by MN yet. So he turns to his next progression (KB gets wide open at this moment after MN picks and holds #8) and sees the 2 free rushers. He decides he no longer has time and can get a TD if he breaks 1 tackle. If I'm betting for anyone to break a single tackle I'm betting on JD to do it.
If I had to guess JD saw a DB jumping the route that had not been picked by MN yet. So he turns to his next progression (KB gets wide open at this moment after MN picks and holds #8) and sees the 2 free rushers. He decides he no longer has time and can get a TD if he breaks 1 tackle. If I'm betting for anyone to break a single tackle I'm betting on JD to do it.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:18 pm to Hurricane2020
It is also possible if the throw is made, we get called for offensive pass interference. JD made the play that he thought would allow us to score. He certainly was not trying to hog the glory. The result was a TD. It was a call that he made in less than 0.5 seconds. I give him props for that. Could he have completed the pass to Boutte? Yes, I think he could have. But, does it really matter what we think at this point? I would be curious what his coach says in the film review.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:18 pm to TooSober
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the rub actually pushed the defender into the flight path of the ball.
Irrelevant if he puts some air under the ball like he should be.
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He can't wait for the route to develop to be a lob into the corner.
Doesn't have too. Ball should be coming out of his hands right here:
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Not how it works.
Don't come into the thread pretending to know football then embarrassing yourself.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:21 pm to Hurricane2020
None of what you said matters. If he lobs the ball to the red circle at the exact moment from my screenshot, it's an easy TD. He should have recognized that they play was a success from that view. He's seeing both defenders, he's seeing Nabers setup for the pick, he's seeing Boutte in full stride, and he's seeing the outside defender locked up with Nabers, he's seeing the trail defender running straigtht for the pick, he's got his feet set and in a good passing posture.
There was no need to wait for anything to develop. This is what people are talking about when they rightfully criticize his ability to anticipate.
As I said before, I really like Daniels, so I'm not trashing him here. I think he's a baller who makes plays and think he's by far our best option at QB.
There was no need to wait for anything to develop. This is what people are talking about when they rightfully criticize his ability to anticipate.
As I said before, I really like Daniels, so I'm not trashing him here. I think he's a baller who makes plays and think he's by far our best option at QB.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:24 pm to whitefoot
While I don't disagree with you I think he should throw the ball almost to the corner of the end zone with more air, a much harder pass. He would need to rifle it into the red dot you put which is a more dangerous throw.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:24 pm to WacoTiger
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It is also possible if the throw is made, we get called for offensive pass interference.
The design of the play was for Jenkins to contact the defender and set the pick. Contact is allowed within a yard of the line. This was a well executed pick play. Jenkins (I kept saying Nabers earlier, but it was Jenkins) was never doing anything on that play but setting the pick.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:25 pm to TooSober
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He was in no way open... quit trying to start crap.
you are wrong....about the time Daniels pulls the ball down the DB guarding Boutte hits our WR and falls making Boutte wide open....but even if he didnt hit our WR and fall down a good leading throw would still of been a TD...
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:26 pm to TooSober
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Tell me you do not understand football angles without telling me you do not understand football angles. Also thanks for posting the pic showing the guy on him.
Lol. Exactly. Daniels throws that it’s likely a 99 yard pick six.
But “DERP! He wuz wide open!”
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:27 pm to timlan2057
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Tell me you do not understand football angles without telling me you do not understand football angles. Also thanks for posting the pic showing the guy on him.
Lol. Exactly. Daniels throws that it’s likely a 99 yard pick six.
But “DERP! He wuz wide open!”
Is this a serious post?
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:27 pm to timlan2057
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Exactly. Got Daniels-hating mouth breathers on this board posting on every play, “DERP!! All four a dem receivers wuz wide open!”, which is bullshite.
Suck it up, buttercup. We have a running quarterback and if he scores or gets first downs with his feet and we win, that’s fricking A-OK with me.
Cool. Let's revisit this one at the end of October.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:30 pm to TooSober
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We will just agree to disagree... that is not open on that play... the rub actually pushed the defender into the flight path of the ball. Plus it shows 3 MSU guys heading toward JD.. He can't wait for the route to develop to be a lob into the corner. Not how it works.
The play design and rub worked to perfection. Despite the ultimate success of the play, that's a decision/throw JD needs to make if LSU is going to be successful as we play tougher opponents. None of this is nitpicking or "hating" JD. He clearly gives us the best chance to win, but these are the things he needs to improve on for the team to get better. Kelly said this AM that JD still needs to work on his reads and progressions.
The coaches see this. Most fans see this. Denying it doesn't make it go away.
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