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Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:58 pm to Jack Daniel
Yeah, we should just not play football next season since ed orgeron is our coach. We shouldn't set any team goals, and damn sure shouldn't expect to accomplish them. We have no talent and we have shitty coaches. LSU should just accept it's fate and lay down because there is no shot we will actually be really good.
You're a damn moron with a loser mentality. Geaux Tigers.
You're a damn moron with a loser mentality. Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:01 pm to TigerLunatik
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O took over a team with a decade of top 10 recruiting classes while Wade took over a team with 2 conference wins.
Wade has one of the best PG's in the country in Waters. a two time state champion and state MVP in Rachal. Duop and others. Hell two players of a five man roster is 40%. Not quite the same in football.
LSU football played over 30 freshmen this year with 12 having to start. The decade of top 10 classes didn't come to fruition this season.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:01 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Yeah, we should just not play football next season since ed orgeron is our coach. We shouldn't set any team goals, and damn sure shouldn't expect to accomplish them. We have no talent and we have shitty coaches. LSU should just accept it's fate and lay down because there is no shot we will actually be really good.
Well, one way to read the O hire is that the administration has no interest in spending money going head to head against Nick Saban. A competent coach that would possibly be his equal would have been super expensive. So although we might want to play football, it's quite possible that we've given up against Bama specifically.
I mean, I know people don't want to believe this, but when you say, "We need to stick it to Bama and beat them now," I'm not sure "Ed Orgeron can do it" is in the Top 50 answers.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:04 pm to dukke v
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So you are saying we could have NOT done better than O??????
Are you one of those that still thinks Jimbo and Hotlips aren't at LSU because of LSU? It's not like Eaux didn't have an opportunity to show what he could do while running the program.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:05 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU football played over 30 freshmen
That makes some sense and I get it. That's why I continually say O did an absolutely amazing job recruiting in '16 as Interim. I would point out though that 2 of the players you mentioned on the basketball team in your counter argument are also freshmen.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:05 pm to BobLeeDagger
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but he has the smallest frame of any SEC QB I've seen in a while. I worry about his ability to stay healthy over the course of a full SEC slate.
Everyone above an 80 IQ saw this too, but everyone downed O for not starting him last year. Kid looked more like he was going to prom than going to a football game. He needed a year to bulk up.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:09 pm to Freauxzen
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which translates into the risk of the hire, and how much other schools may or may not agree with you.
You should only go by other schools and who they offer.
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Which gives you some data to evaluate a candidate off of
So actually being the OC for 8 games does not matter or provide data to be evaluated on? What other schools think and do it the only thing you should base hiring decisions on?
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It is an important metric to consider when making hires at the top level. Always.
No it's not. If you have seen the person do the job and know what they can do, it would be stupid to not make a decision based on that alone.
This is getting pretty stupid now.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:11 pm to TigerLunatik
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I would point out though that 2 of the players you mentioned on the basketball team in your counter argument are also freshmen.
That is correct. And who were they recruited by?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:12 pm to Freauxzen
Money for which coach? Jimbo? Lol. Florida state went 6-6 last year and barely made a bowl game with him as their coach. They didn't want to keep him and weren't going to pay that fricker what a&m did, that should tell you something. Also, Jimbo and fsu got beaten worse than we did last year by bama. They played them the first game of the season too at a neutral site, whereas we played them in november at their place. Nobody has had success against saban, besides a game or 2 here or there. He's the best coach in college football history man. He can be beaten, and to say we absolutely have no shot with orgeron as our coach with the staff and players we have just isn't true. Hugh freeze beat saban 2 times in a row ffs. I just don't get all the negativity some people have concerning our football program and im looking forward to the season with optimism. Whatever, to each his own I guess.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:12 pm to CalTiger53
This guy is just delusional. Not optimistic.
He's trying to compare the football and basketball programs.
He says we have to accept it or else we aren't LSU fans.
He's trying to compare the football and basketball programs.
He says we have to accept it or else we aren't LSU fans.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:13 pm to Tiger Ree
Well, one by Jones and one by Wade, but I'm not sure where your going with that. I was just pointing out that if you're going to use the freshman angle for one coach, it needs to be applied to both.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:16 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Florida state went 6-6 last year
FSU's decline isn't a one year one, they were 10-10 in their last 20 ACC games. That program was in a 2.5 year slide when Jimbo bailed.
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Also, Jimbo and fsu got beaten worse than we did last year by bama
Don't forget yielding 63 to Louisville.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:23 pm to Tiger Ree
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You should only go by other schools and who they offer.
No, you should use the market to determine consensus on a coach. That doesn't mean you hire him immediately, but it gives you a point of reference.
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So actually being the OC for 8 games does not matter or provide data to be evaluated on? What other schools think and do it the only thing you should base hiring decisions on?
Did I say that? Don't be obtuse man.
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No it's not. If you have seen the person do the job and know what they can do, it would be stupid to not make a decision based on that alone.
Incorrect. Nor did I say it was the only thing to consider, of course their experience and current production matter, along with lots of other variables. It's one thing to use.
There are lots and lots of hires who have done one thing really well, but can't elevate to the next level. Just because they can do their current thing, doesn't mean they can do the bigger thing or do that current thing on a bigger, more risky stage.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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The guy averaged 465 yards and 32 points per game in 2016.
Using someone elses playbook. That person, Cam Cameron, averaged 453 yards and 36.2 PPG in his second year.
Over three years Cam averages 405 YPG and 31.2 PPG.
Canada averaged 423 YPG and 28.3PPG.
I hope Ensminger blows it away but I can't seem to forget that he was the OC that took a rank A&M team into Cajun Field and proceeded to lose to USL.
I'm hopeful but for the first time in a long time I am not nearly as cautiously optimistic as I usually am.
I have to go back to the Hallman days to find a place when I had this much concern for the team next season. GOd I hope I'm worrying for nothing.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:31 pm to Freauxzen
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Just because they can do their current thing, doesn't mean they can do the bigger thing or do that current thing
We are not talking Peter Principle here. The guy showed what he could do. So to say it is a bad hire just because he had no other offers to become OC is just stupid.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:32 pm to Tiger Ree
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No it's not. If you have seen the person do the job and know what they can do, it would be stupid to not make a decision based on that alone.
O had all that data last year and didn’t hire Ensminger. SE did a good enough job, but he didn’t do anything to make anybody clamor for his services (not even O). That’s one of the reasons this hire had fallen flat with fans. It feels like a backup plan. I hope SE does well, but I have a meh feeling.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:34 pm to mdomingue
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I hope Ensminger blows it away but I can't seem to forget that he was the OC that took a rank A&M team into Cajun Field and proceeded to lose to USL.
Jesus man, that was not the only time that has ever happened to a coach or team. Do you still dwell on UAB for LSU and ULM for bama and who the coach was for those games?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:35 pm to TigerLunatik
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Let's hope that O and Ensminger learned their lesson about being ultra conservative against competent defenses like they were vs UF and Bama
Go look at the stats of the FLA game
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:37 pm to Bayou
We have 5star 2018 and 2019 recruits shutting things down and locked into LSU. They must think O sucks as much as you reTARDS think he does.
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