re: 2011 defense or 2019 offense?

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23 offense

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2019 offense >

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There's no need to understate how legendary that defense was.

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The secondary was legendary.

The LBs were not. Minter was awesome, but from an overall LB group, that was an average year for LSU.

The DL was really good, but they weren't legendary status like '03

2019 Offense. It was just so fricking overpowered.

Chase and JJ and Joe on the same team is disxusting.

the scheme was perfect for them.

I would rather an elite Offense vs an elite defense

I would rather a good defense vs a good offense.

I think you're right that it's close. 2011 offense was probably worse than 2019 defense, so 2011 defense had a tougher hill to climb than 2019 offense

ETA: let's call it 2011 defense + special teams. our special teams were fricking insane with Tyrann scoring 3-4 times and Brad Wing had one of the best punter seasons I can remember.

2011 defense all the way.

2019 was overrated. It allowed 38 points to a bad Texas and also 38 points to a bad Vanderbilt team.

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Look what auburns 19defense did to the 19 offense.

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that was on a wet field with pretty favorable referring for Auburn. they were all over our WRs.

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03 defense was better

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03 defense had a better front but 11 defense had maybe the best defensive backfield in college football history. Still, 11 defense had Montgomery and Mingo, who were both superstars in their own right at the college level, Logan and Brockers in the middle, and tackling machines in Minter and Baker at the next level.

03 defense was #1 nationally allowing 11 ppg, playing a pretty average schedule, whereas 11 defense was #2 nationally allowing 11.3 ppg playing OOC offensive juggernauts in Oregon and WVU.

The 03 defense had 21 picks to 11's 18, but 11 forced 16 (recovered) fumbles compared to 03s 2. 11 defense had too many impact players and playmakers to say any other defense in school history was as good. I mean you saw it even when Mathieu was out. Ron Brooks would take games over

The real question is has there ever, in CFB history, been a better special teams unit than LSU's 11 special teams unit. 1 KR TD, 2 PR TD, #2 nationally in yards per PR, multiple forced turnovers on punt, 98% on XP and 89% on FG, the best punter in the country with a pre national title game average of something like 6 inches per punt return, the peak of Les Miles' directional kick offs and coverage, It was insane.

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2019 was overrated. It allowed 38 points to a bad Texas and also 38 points to a bad Vanderbilt team.

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Texas game you had Todd Harris starting (resulted directly in two touchdowns) and Fulton misplaying what should have been an interception (resulted in one touchdown).

The Vanderbilt myth has been debunked a million times over. They scored two defensive touchdowns. They also had an NFL running back and all conference receiver, the only people who really did any damage all day.

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2011 defense or 2019 offense?

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Yes.

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Well Webster was the best cover guy out of both groups

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Yes, but Claiborne was a superstar and Thorpe award winner. Simon was long and elite on the outside when Mathieu shifted inside.

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Landry was the best safety by far

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True freshman Laron Landry was not "by far" better than Sophomore Eric Reid. They were equal, maybe giving Landry a slight edge. Daniels was better than Simon but Mathieu pushes the 11 secondary over the edge. LB is a push and 03 front is better.

2011 only gave up 9 more ypg offensively, despite their own offense being more inefficient. The numbers are almost identical, so I'm giving the edge to 11 simply because they played a tougher schedule and offenses had opened up slightly more. That and Mathieu.