re: Yam Madar LSU basketball commit?

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Never said he was a bum, said he wasn’t worth a million, much less 5m

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I can’t tell but what is the point of this. There is no point in talking about “value”whatsoever in terms of what a player is getting guaranteed in college athletics right now. They are artificial, unregulated and uncapped markets. There is no relative value. The funds are not coming from the university or state budgets. My point is if you paid $15 or $10 million for any portal guy no pint in even debating what they are worth.

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The current roster he’s putting together is very risky because quite frankly you might not get a lot of these players due to NCAA eligibility. Then what’s the plan?

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And he was behind the 8 ball from the jump on this class, now yeah it’s on him for when he took the job, the timing and how he left NCSU. But not to beat a dead horse if you are behind instead of going to get a bad basketball team, risk it for a good-great one. Wish Matt McMahon would have been a little riskier maybe you don’t finish dead last 3/4 years. I mean what he chose or targeted was doomed from the start.

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There were a lot of portal players early on we missed out on.

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No it wasn’t like even 5 or 6 or a lot meaning 10 or plus players. They “missed” again, he didn’t have the time to make up those relationships and didn’t wanna pay 2-3X what the schools that got them paid. I can tell you the moment they switched to this strategy was when they lost out on Haggerty. They pivoted immediately, knowing this portal class is very very weak relative to others and when you have zero returning players and zero guys coming from NCSU, there wasn’t a whole lot left. Especially after you go and say in your opener i’m here to win, this is home, and here to win now.

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did he fly overseas and try to get players we don’t even know are eligible.

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That’s inaccurate, CWW and the staff did the opposite 5 major programs coaches or reps flew over to try and get these guys. All of them flew over and none of them were able to leave with a negotiated deal or commitment. When they flew back none of them continued to try and recruit these guys Yeah and I do understand those programs can’t ask or couldn’t afford to wait with the donors or money people putting up that kind of money and risking getting nobody. CWW and the staff stayed working Niang. They knew if they got one the rest would fall. They worked that deal night and day. But they didn’t go and tell even beat reporters or national media because they wanted to get it done and then it didn’t matter who knew. Because of what’s happening now.

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If Madar does, he will be a serviceable player, not an all-SEC talent.

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I won’t predict on any of the EUROs until I see what the first game roster looks like and they are here at LSU. But do you think for this upcoming year would you put Urban Klavzae in your potential All-SEC caliber players for the 26/27 season?

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I can’t tell but what is the point of this. There is no point in talking about “value”whatsoever in terms of what a player is getting guaranteed in college athletics right now. They are artificial, unregulated and uncapped markets. There is no relative value. The funds are not coming from the university or state budgets. My point is if you paid $15 or $10 million for any portal guy no pint in even debating what they are worth.

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Just a response. It's not my money. My point is if the number is true, why are we throwing out that kind of money for people who we don't even know will get eligibility? It's a dice roll to potentially be left with your pants down.

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And he was behind the 8 ball from the jump on this class, now yeah it’s on him for when he took the job, the timing and how he left NCSU. But not to beat a dead horse if you are behind instead of going to get a bad basketball team, risk it for a good-great one. Wish Matt McMahon would have been a little riskier maybe you don’t finish dead last 3/4 years. I mean what he chose or targeted was doomed from the start.

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As this board loves to say, no excuses. Plus, money talks. You are also being assumptive on the previous coach. We are reportedly throwing around tens of millions, for just a few players. Do you have any information to suggest that McMahon could even get the funds to take this kind of risk? If you do, please share.

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No it wasn’t like even 5 or 6 or a lot meaning 10 or plus players. They “missed” again, he didn’t have the time to make up those relationships and didn’t wanna pay 2-3X what the schools that got them paid. I can tell you the moment they switched to this strategy was when they lost out on Haggerty. They pivoted immediately, knowing this portal class is very very weak relative to others and when you have zero returning players and zero guys coming from NCSU, there wasn’t a whole lot left. Especially after you go and say in your opener i’m here to win, this is home, and here to win now.

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Again, no excuses. Why didn't any want to come from NCST?? I know of one players reasons personally, but they can share that information.

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I won’t predict on any of the EUROs until I see what the first game roster looks like and they are here at LSU. But do you think for this upcoming year would you put Urban Klavzae in your potential All-SEC caliber players for the 26/27 season?

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For a kid that cut his teeth at Real Madrid in EuroLeague and in Slovenia with Doncic, he's got a good chance. He's a very solid built guard with the abililty to create his own shot from anywhere off the dribble and he's got almost an 8' standing reach and pretty quick laterally that could make him a good potential defender. I really need to see which kids are leaving for the draft, and which are returning, before I make that assessment.

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After eye-balling some numbers based on some reports and others are just pure speculation. It looks like we could be sitting around 20-25 million on the roster just based on the ones that have been reported to have an agreement in place or have signed with LSU.

*Some of these have been reported and others are just a rough estimate based on what the other players are getting. Very few have been reported.

Brice Dessert - C 5-7 million
Marcio Santos - C/PF - 1 million?
Mo Dioubate - SF/PF? 1-2 million?
Saliou Niang - SF 7 Million
Abdi Bashir - SG 1-2 million?
Divine Ugochukwu - CG 600k?
Yam Madar - PG 5 million

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That's nuts.

Ain't my money so let's ride.

I can't argue with most of this, they're fair points.

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Are you speaking on Able’s personal reasons?

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I was talking about Arceneaux.

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When did Klavzae ever play with Luka Doncic? When did he cut his teeth in the actual Euroleague again? He played for Real Madrid but it was their U18, not knocking the guys at all he’s only about to turn 22. But my point is if Klavzae is a borderline All-SEC player right now, he was the 6th man of the year already. Madar is 25 now. But at every single equal data point, Madar has been ahead of and a better basketball player than Klavzae. Madar is 4 years older, bigger, more athletic, obviously way more experienced against higher level competition than Klavzae. The raw stats from Madar or most of these EUROs LSU is on don’t tell even close to the whole story. So up until he came over, Madar was seen as and played pretty much on equal footing as Deni Advija from unders to big club, even international. Obviously Advija has way more potential and tools, and is now a veteran NBA player, but that’s how people view Madar. So my whole point is Madar is a better player than Klavzae not just right now but throughout their comparable timelines. So if you are that high on Klavzae for next year, you can be even higher or should on Madar.

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I do remember them playing together for Slovenia a few years back, and maybe it was U18 Madrid, I don't remember exactly. I personally don't think he's a better player than Madar. As I said before about Madar, he is a very creative player and has great basketball IQ, but I don't think he's going to be better than a lot of the other Guards in the conference. He will be a great distributor, but I think that's about as far as it goes.

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and maybe it was U18 Madrid,

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Luka is 27, he played for the big club at 16 and full time by 17. Klavzae is 21 made his debut if you want to call it that and has never been called up to the big club. On Slovenia Klavzae isn’t even a full rostered member of the senior national team. My point is you said why people think Madar is going to come in and be some All-SEC caliber player is you put it like not realistic or something. But then I asked about Klavzae and you say he’s borderline and talk about his accomplishments. Madar is probably the least talented, lowest ceiling, and least athletic of the 7 euros, and if Klavzae is the 6th man of the year in the SEC I am saying LSU will have 3-4 All-SEC players immediately