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re: With Kelvin Joseph leaving, who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?

Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:55 am to
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:55 am to
Guys in OTB this morning were hinting that it may be more than just playing time why he is leaving. Could be leaving to avoid a possible suspension.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
9606 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:10 pm to
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I get the feeling it is more than playing time.


i think its only about playing time. He would start if Stingley wasn't so good. O just said at Media days that DS is starting. Timing is perfect.

I think its a bad choice tho. He will get playing time.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31372 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:29 pm to
yeah but he should be moved to safety anyway.

This is an odd situation all around.
Posted by 2003tigerfan
Member since Aug 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 5:39 pm to
If he's leaving to avoid suspension ...i wish he would talk to Kristian Fulton
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76043 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 5:49 pm to
They’re sophomores...

The book is far from
Written in guys like
Clark
Baskerville
cherry
Rosenthal

Etc...

Divinity didn’t see much time till last year.

He’s a beast.

Stevens took almost 2 full seasons to put it all together.
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9277 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:45 pm to
Well there’s Burrow he’s the starting QB. There’s Marshall, Chase, Cherry, Hines, Moore, Baskerville, Traore, Rosenthal, Wire, Jones, Curry, Clark, Jenkins, Jenkins, and Lewis. That’s 16 players who already have or are projected to play a significant role on this team.

So when you say there’s nothing left, which is an entirely false observation, then it’s entirely rational to think that you’re trolling, bitching just to bitch or you have some type of agenda against LSUs 2018 class.

Joseph was a highly rated player so it shows that LSU is replacing highly rated players with others that are better or that he doesn’t have the patience. Either way LSU is better off.

Oh and we still have a full class. Every class has some attrition for one reason or another.

Posted by TexasTiger24
Houston
Member since Feb 2019
2316 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:05 am to
I wasnt saying I downvoted him, in fact I upvoted

I was saying everyone is downvoting him but he’s speaking straight fax and our 2018 class was weak...

Just shut the frick up

The recruiting board is getting very very toxic
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48421 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:18 am to
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Just shut the frick up

quote:

The recruiting board is getting very very toxic
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10643 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:26 am to
Other than Joseph, most of those players were signed to fill out the class, provide depth and have the opportunity to develop in order to contribute down the road. If they didn’t want to pay their dues, it is better for LSU that they “processed” themselves and freed up scholarships.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25996 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:49 am to
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but he’s speaking straight fax


That's a new one
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:08 am to
Free article from 24/7:

When the dust settled, the Tigers had filled 23 of the 25 allotted scholarship spots. Instead of filling the final two spots with other high school prospects, head coach Ed Orgeron elected to sit on the available scholarships and test the transfer market.

It should be noted that when it comes to the No. 15 class ranking, Burrow, Alexander and kicker Cole Tracy - the three graduate transfers - don’t count towards the ranking.

Through four games, 16 of the 25 signees have already seen the field. Seven of the signees have started in at least one game, and that number will likely rise to eight this weekend if freshman Chasen Hines gets the starting nod at left guard.

Translation: 32-percent of the class will have made at least one start, and the Tigers are just one-third of the way into the schedule. (THAT IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF TRUE FRESHMEN STARTERS, which is not a good thing, teams should have more veterans and not have to rely so much on true freshmen).

That group includes the team’s leading passer in Burrow and leading scorer in Tracy. Across the first four weeks, the two freshmen five-star wide receivers - Chase and Terrace Marshall - have caught nine passes for 97 yards and a touchdown.

Damien Lewis has started all four games at right guard, while Traore has seen starts at left tackle and right tackle. Hines has already seen extended action in the past two games, which included a strong showing in the road win at Auburn.

On special teams, Tracy has hit on 9-of-10 field goals and 13-of-13 on extra points, helping the Tigers stay perfect in the red zone (16-for-16) this season. Walk-on freshman Avery Atkins has also contributed in a big way

When diving into just how often the signing class is being used, the numbers speak volumes - and it begins with the transfers and JUCO additions. Burrow, Lewis and Tracy have started in all four games this season. Alexander and Traore have seen action in all four games, earning the start in half of them. From the freshman crop, 10 of the 19 signees have already seen action in at least one game, and Chase and Marshall each have a start under their belt. They are part of a group of five true freshmen - including Joseph, Kenan Jones and Damone Clark - who have seen the field in every game. Former four-star linebacker Micah Baskerville has played in three games (he was injured in week one), while Hines and Curry have both seen the field in two games.

Of the nine true freshmen who have not seen action yet, there’s plenty of promise remaining from the group.
Dare Rosenthal
Cameron Wire
Jarell Cherry
Nelson Jenkins


While there is plenty of football still ahead for the class, it appears Orgeron’s finished product on National Signing Day is trending ahead of where recruiting analysts pegged the group.

LSU's 2018 class exceeding expectations?

I think most of the attrition besides Davin Cotton and Joseph (IF HE LEAVES) are a direct result of the high number of returning starters who were draft eligible. LSU only lost THREE underclassmen to the draft - Greedy, Ed Alexander and Devin White.

Can we please stop being miserable and crying about the 2018 class.

Even if everything remains static and another player from the class never sees the field it was a damn good class!!!
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4378 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:12 am to
This post might get whacked. Not supposed to copy more than 3 paragraphs. Just fair warning.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70907 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:14 am to
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Even if everything remains static and another player from the class never sees the field it was a damn good class!!!



This is just flat out incorrect. 7 of the 22 signees are gone now before their 2nd season. There's a reason for that, it was a weak class, just is what it is.

You can throw in transfers if you want, but people specifically are pointing out the high school/JUCO players which make up the grand majority of the true recruiting class. Everyone recognizes Burrow and Tracy were great transfers to add, but that's not recruiting high school/juco guys either.

The good news is our recruiting in 2019 and 2020 seems to have significantly picked up from a very disappointing 2018 class overall.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 10:19 am
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:26 am to
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This is just flat out incorrect. 7 of the 22 signees are gone now before their 2nd season


Who did you want to see leave to get to the 85 scholarship limit. 3-stars who were freshmen or the sophomores and juniors who are older, more experienced with more coaching under Aranda and Slinger?

quote:

There's a reason for that, it was a weak class, just is what it is.


A weak class does not have that many starters after just four weeks.

A weak class does not contain the teams leading passer and leading scorer for the first four games and SEASON.

quote:

You can throw in transfers if you want


Well they came in in 2018 with the 2018 signing class and played for LSU so I will count them. You can try to disregard them if you like but if you look at the roster for the 2018 season you will see them listed with some pretty impressive bios.

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but people specifically are pointing out the high school/JUCO players which make up the grand majority of the true recruiting class.


People often tend to use very selective data when it is needed for them to be miserable.

Rantard poster: "Man that was a horrible class. If you take out the QB, FG kicker, WR's, OLinemen, kickoff guy, CB/Safety, LB's, etc who helped A LOT in getting LSU to 10 wins it was really a shitty class". Ha Ha Ha Ha
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:02 am to
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This is just flat out incorrect. 7 of the 22 signees are gone


Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but every signee for every class for every team does not contribute or even play college football.

Look at any team and any class they have and lets look to see if every player they signed made contributions - significant or otherwise.

You can look at LSU's last five or so classes and you will be amazed by the number of FOUR and FIVE stars who did not amount to anything or left.

I don't see why people view 2018 as some once in a decade horrible class.

LSU's #2 class in 2014 had:
5-star Clifton Garrett. Remember his all-star LSU career?
4-star Travonte Valentine
4-star Trey Quinn
4-star Deondre Clark
4-star Devin Voorhies
4-star Jevonte Domond
4-star Tony Upchurch
3-star Sione Teuhema
3-star Trey Lealaimatafao
3-star Brandon Bergeron

Seven five and four stars and ten players that never contributed.

LSU's #5 class in 2015 had:
5-star Tyron Johnson.
4-star Chidi Okeke
4-star Xavier Lewis
3-star George Brown
3-star Bry'Keithon Mouton
3-star Hanner Shipley
3-star Justin McMillan
3-star Brandon Martin

Eight players that never contributed. 5-star Maea Teuhema who transferred to Southeastern La was in this class as was 4-star David Ducre who just never saw the field.


Here's a list from the 2010 LSU class:
Justin Maclin
Evan Washington
Jordan Allen
Ronnie Vinson
Jakhari Gore
Jarrett Fobbs
Zach Lee
Nic Jacobs
Sam Gibson
Luke Muncie
Armand Williams
Brandon Worle
Cameron Fordham

That is 13 players.


But, now LSU fans are bummed because 7 of the 22 lowest rated signees from the 2018 class are gone. Even while most are gone because of the unusual number of draft eligible players returning. And with the number of players who have not only contributed but started and led the team in multiple statistical categories.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 11:10 am
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:04 am to
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This post might get whacked. Not supposed to copy more than 3 paragraphs. Just fair warning.


It's from 2018. Not today's news. It will be okay if it is whacked.
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
861 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:12 am to
So we're giving up on the 2018 class? After one season? Tough crowd.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:20 am to
Here is another class that should make us even MORE miserable about the 2018 class losing 5 of the lowest ranked recruits and two 4-stars.

Here's the list of ONLY 4-star and above players who have left the team.

2013 - ranked 6th:

4-star Jeryl Brazil 7th ranked player in class
4-star Hayden Rettig 8th
4-star John Diarse 10th
4-star Avery Peterson 12th
4-star Anthony Jennings 14th
4-star Melvin Jones 15th
4-star Maquedius Bain 18th
4-star Andy Dodd 19th
4-star Rashard Robinson 20th


NINE players and that is only counting counting 4-stars and above. A team normally loses more 3 and 2-stars than higher rated players.


Damn the 2018 class is BAD. It will be a miracle if LSU football doesn't have to shut down. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34766 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:30 am to
KJ hated all the love that stingley was/is getting

FACTS
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70907 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:53 am to
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Who did you want to see leave to get to the 85 scholarship limit. 3-stars who were freshmen or the sophomores and juniors who are older, more experienced with more coaching under Aranda and Slinger?



The 2017 class has had 2-4 guys leave, only 2 because they actually chose to do so (Ingram and Taylor up in air). So a class a YEAR older has had way less players leave, why do you think that is? It's pretty easy, the class with the weaker players saw big hits to it because more players couldn't compete. This isn't rocket science.

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A weak class does not have that many starters after just four weeks.



There's starters that emerge from every class. Not sure what you're trying to get at there. Of course a class with a few JUCO will produce an extra starter than a class without any JUCO as well. Pretty dumb to compare in that aspect, we get JUCOs to plug gaps. I hope you're not counting transfers, again we're talking about the freshmen and juco kids, the ones that actually make up the recruiting class itself.

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Well they came in in 2018 with the 2018 signing class and played for LSU so I will count them. You can try to disregard them if you like but if you look at the roster for the 2018 season you will see them listed with some pretty impressive bios.



Transfers dont count in recruiting class, do you see Burrow in the 2018 rankings? No. This is why everyone is talking about the freshmen and jucos. You cant say an entire weak recruiting class is "Saved" by a QB transfer, or 1 year of great place kicking, it doesnt mean the rest of the class is good.

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People often tend to use very selective data when it is needed for them to be miserable.



LINK /
LINK /

Do you see the transfers being counted in there? No, thanks for playing.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 11:58 am
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