Wilson is Great...O is ELITE!

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Go back and take a good look at some of those elite classes that Orgeron brought to LSU from 2018 -2020; they are actually pretty pathetic.

Yea, 2019 wasn't a very complete team.

I'll just keep posting it because some people need to embrace it.


Don't Hire Orgeron to Coach the Defensive Line
Bring back Kyle Williams as the DL coach. Orgeron's best DL coaching days are far behind him.

More importantly, Orgeron should not be anywhere near the defensive staff. Orgeron's voice far exceeds his mental capacity, especially with his long-time friend as the head coach. We don't want O trying to undermine the DC's scheme choice. LSU does NOT need one coach nagging to run the 4-3 when the rest of the defensive staff wants to run a more modern and flexible defense.

Don't Hire Orgeron to Be the Recruiting Coordinator
I don't know how anyone can want O to be the recruiting coordinator. He is NOT a person to be in charge of, or to organize, anything as important as recruiting. He has never been known as an evaluator of talent or a person who can build a balanced roster.

Orgeron might have been a terrific closer in special situations; he certainly has a lot of energy, but he's not a coordinator. He might have been okay dealing under the table and getting HS players laid twenty years ago, but that's not how it works any more. The entire paradigm has changed.

There are other far more organized and intelligent people already in the program that are better qualified to be the recruiting coordinator.

Maybe Don't Let Orgeron in the Door at All
Orgeron has a long history of bad decisions. Orgeron has a long history of creating bad situations and failing to make the correct choices. Given Kiffin's history, LSU does not want or need an enabler for Kiffin. Hiring Orgeron would be like inviting a drinking buddy to live with a reformed alcoholic.

Kiffin is trying to get better. Kiffin is turning his life around. Kiffin found a sense of continuity and peace at Ole Miss. LSU does not need to bring in a person who is going to jeopardize all of the maturity and stability Kiffin has achieved.

Again, Orgeron's voice far exceeds his mental capacity, especially with his long-time friend as the head coach. LSU does not need a coach like Orgeron underfoot. LSU had to pay him $16 million to make him go away the last time. There is far too much at stake to risk it by bringing in a drinking buddy. Drunk Uncle Ed can visit, but you cannot let him stay.


I don't hate Orgeron.

Orgeron came to LSU after Les Miles hired Steve Ensminger.

Orgeron was at LSU when Les Miles hired Dave Aranda.

Orgeron was at LSU when Bill Busch, Jim Burrow, and Joe Burrow's brothers convinced Joe to go to LSU instead of perennial powerhouse Cincinnati.

Orgeron was at LSU when Steve Ensminger met with Joe Brady and Steve Ensminger decided LSU needed to hire Brady to help with the offense.

Orgeron was at LSU when Dave Aranda was able to overcome a plague of early season injuries to guide LSU's defense in an undefeated season.

Orgeron was at LSU when Steve Ensminger and Joe Brady guided LSU's offense in an undefeated season. Orgeron didn't understand the offense, but he watched if from the LSU sidelines.

I suppose some folks don't appreciate Orgeron's inability to hire coordinators, but perhaps those people don't understand the tricky nuance of a Matt Canada offense, or the aggressive nature of a Bo Pelini "attack defense" 4-3, or the uncanny similarity between the "Joe Brady offense" and the Scott Linehan stall or the Jake Peetz / DJ Mangas prevent offense.

Certainly, everyone can appreciate Orgeron's laser like focus after 2019, his concern for his girlfriends and their children at LSU practices, and his sense of failure/shame when he was fired from his head coaching position at LSU. Surely, LSU fans don't think for one second that Saban acted differently from Orgeron when Saban was fired from his job with Ohio State?

Well said, Salviati.

Coach 0 missed on several recruits. One won a Heisman. He is pretty good but no better than Frank IMO.

Found Ponamsky.

I'm in the camp of Coach Ogre stay retired.

O is 100 percent an elite recruiter

i don’t think there is a DC alive who wouldn’t want Raymond as the DB coach at LSU

Pretty good assessment. Hard to argue against any of that.