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re: So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:27 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:27 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Do you have evidence either player did not get taught the techniques necessary to indicate they were not coachable? Do you have evidence either player lacks the physical attributes to play in the NFL? Do you have evidence either player has health issues that would prevent them from playing football? Do you have evidence that either player has off the field issues that would make them undesirable to the NFL? Analyze the evidence and draw your own conclusion.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:08 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Jealousy and blame two of the most worthless things in the world But the squirrel was cute though !
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:12 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Freak was extremely overrated. he showed me nothing during his 3 yeas at LSU. Loston at least had a lot of flashes.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:31 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
If you can blame God for success, you can blame God for failure.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:33 pm to tigerbait1.6
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Freak was extremely overrated. he showed me nothing during his 3 yeas at LSU. Loston at least had a lot of flashes.
Loston also never really established himself as a capable pass defender, which probably has a lot to do with his fall. He had all the physical tools, but he seems to lack the vision and anticipation that separates the best defensive backs.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 12:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sometimes 5* just means a kid matured early. College ready in HS, but never goes beyond that.
Then you have the Shabazz Muhammad effect, a guy who is considerably older than his competition.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:33 pm to DBeaux225
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Yep. Just look at Jackson Jeffcoat from Texas.
You mean the Big 12 DPOY?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:48 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
I blame the NFL for not doing their research and realizing just how good these guys are! How hard could it be to just read Rivals and draft the 5 stars first.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:45 pm to brewhan davey
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If someone already hadn't, I was coming to post exactly what you just did to set the record straight about Coleman.
Probably didn't realize what had transpired with Shon. But no way can he be called a bust.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:32 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Sometimes 5 stars peak too early IMO
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:48 pm to RollTigers
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Shon Coleman
Dude, he had cancer and now is the front runner as a RS SO to be LT at Auburn. How is being in line to start a bust? Especially overcoming cancer
I agree with the rest.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 5:03 pm to Geauxgurt
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Geauxgurt
So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
It's kind of ironic if you look at the last few years. Between Scout and Rivals rankings, LSU has had 15 5* recruited by Miles since 2005 and through 2011.
Of those 15, 9 5*'s off the top of my head went undrafted. That is 60% of the 5 stars signed by LSU from 2005-2011.
These are:
Perrilloux
Keiland Williams
Eugene
Toliver
Shepard
Ford
Johnson
Loston
Chris Davenport (Finished up career at Tulane)
6 5*'s that got drafted:
Woods (2006 - 4th round)
Chad Jones (2007 - 3rd Round)
PP7 (2008 - 1st Round)
Randle (2009 - 2nd Round)
Ware (2010 - 6th Round)
Landry (2011 - 2nd Round)
So out of 15 5*'s signed by LSU in that time, LSU has had only 1 go in the 1st round, and 2 in the late 2nd.The rest were 3rd, 4th or 6th rounders.
Looking at it, one would be shocked by such horrible numbers, but then looking at LSU's development of some less heralded high schoolers into first rounders is pretty impressive as well.
I'd be interested to see how this pans out for other schools.
imagine it's the same ... but i agree it's best not to blame anyone ... rivals may rate based on potential more than anything else ... bama signed an ol out of the b'ham area who was a 5*, but he was 6'5" and 275, so he obviously needed 30 lbs or so ... never saw the field ... i'm not sure periloux is to fully blame for his 'flame out' ... he didn't do anything horrible, relative to other players, but miles may have felt the need to make a statement ...
Posted on 5/17/14 at 8:13 am to Salmon
45-50% of 5 stars go undrafted???
Show those stats.
Show those stats.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 8:13 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
The people who rated them a 5 star.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 10:19 am to The Dudes Rug
Well I had no clue this thread was still alive 
UPDATE: Coincidence Loston signed with my Jax Jaguars
I think he has an excellent chance to make this roster. We took a safety early in last years draft but the other safety position is wide open. Loston will have to shine on special teams also if he has a legit chance.
UPDATE: Coincidence Loston signed with my Jax Jaguars
I think he has an excellent chance to make this roster. We took a safety early in last years draft but the other safety position is wide open. Loston will have to shine on special teams also if he has a legit chance.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:10 am to tiderider
IMO, it's case-by-case.
Some are overrated (Jai Eugene - ok contributor but not 5*).
Some aren't coached well or their careers managed well (know Al Woods was drafted but he never approached 5* performance at LSU. IMO, he shouldn't have been playing as a true Fr in '06 and our previous DL coach wasn't that good).
Others go stupid - it's all on them (Perrilloux).
Others have a ltd skillset (I suppose this is kinda like being overrated but has a slightly different nuance, e.g., Michael Ford and Russell Shepard. I can see where Shep would dominate in HS. But in CFB, not enough arm strength to play QB, not big enough to play RB, hands not the best at WR, and though fast he couldn't live off speed alone.)
Others are surprising they didn't get drafted - Terrance Toliver.
Some are overrated (Jai Eugene - ok contributor but not 5*).
Some aren't coached well or their careers managed well (know Al Woods was drafted but he never approached 5* performance at LSU. IMO, he shouldn't have been playing as a true Fr in '06 and our previous DL coach wasn't that good).
Others go stupid - it's all on them (Perrilloux).
Others have a ltd skillset (I suppose this is kinda like being overrated but has a slightly different nuance, e.g., Michael Ford and Russell Shepard. I can see where Shep would dominate in HS. But in CFB, not enough arm strength to play QB, not big enough to play RB, hands not the best at WR, and though fast he couldn't live off speed alone.)
Others are surprising they didn't get drafted - Terrance Toliver.
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 12:27 am
Posted on 5/18/14 at 5:28 am to I20goon
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that also assumes the recruiting services rated them accurately.
This
Posted on 5/18/14 at 2:13 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
The player, injuries, luck, potential, growth and development, timing
Posted on 5/18/14 at 5:04 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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The individuals themselves,coaching
there are more than these two choices. it's not always that simple. the 5 star was awarded when the kid was 17 years old and the rating system is far from perfect. there is a hell of a lot of difference physically and mentally between a 17 yr old and a 21 year old. it could simply be the kid "peaked" while others bloomed later.
anyone who has taught, trained or coached will tell you it takes 2 before something is learned; a capable instructor AND a willing student. in most cases at LSU I would say a 5 star not getting drafted is because of nature and (or) the player just didn't keep up.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:00 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
If a program can churn out 9 players in the draft--most of whom are underclassmen-- then it becomes the players fault for not getting drafted. Loston didnt want get quicker and Johnson didnt use common sense, like ever.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 5:00 pm
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