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re: So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 12:58 pm to cajun craig
Posted on 5/12/14 at 12:58 pm to cajun craig
quote:What? How is Shon Coleman a bust?
Five stars can be complete busts even if they and the coaches work really hard. Russell Shepard, Shon Coleman, Chris Galippo, Jeff Schweiger, Marcus Vick, Ben Olsen, Ryan Rerriloux... all these guys were busts and for lots of different reasons. Some worked hard and did the right things and simply were never successful, others were injured, others had bad attitudes.
The guy is a redshirt sophomore that had to sit out a couple of years due to cancer. He beat the cancer, has worked his arse off to get back to playing shape, and is now in line to start at left tackle for a top 5 team. It's not like he failed to live up to the hype, did something stupid off the field, got arrested or anything like that.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:34 pm to TTsTowel
Yeah, that's pretty dumb calling him a bust.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:03 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
It's kind of ironic if you look at the last few years. Between Scout and Rivals rankings, LSU has had 15 5* recruited by Miles since 2005 and through 2011.
Of those 15, 9 5*'s off the top of my head went undrafted. That is 60% of the 5 stars signed by LSU from 2005-2011.
These are:
Perrilloux
Keiland Williams
Eugene
Toliver
Shepard
Ford
Johnson
Loston
Chris Davenport (Finished up career at Tulane)
6 5*'s that got drafted:
Woods (2006 - 4th round)
Chad Jones (2007 - 3rd Round)
PP7 (2008 - 1st Round)
Randle (2009 - 2nd Round)
Ware (2010 - 6th Round)
Landry (2011 - 2nd Round)
So out of 15 5*'s signed by LSU in that time, LSU has had only 1 go in the 1st round, and 2 in the late 2nd.The rest were 3rd, 4th or 6th rounders.
Looking at it, one would be shocked by such horrible numbers, but then looking at LSU's development of some less heralded high schoolers into first rounders is pretty impressive as well.
I'd be interested to see how this pans out for other schools.
Of those 15, 9 5*'s off the top of my head went undrafted. That is 60% of the 5 stars signed by LSU from 2005-2011.
These are:
Perrilloux
Keiland Williams
Eugene
Toliver
Shepard
Ford
Johnson
Loston
Chris Davenport (Finished up career at Tulane)
6 5*'s that got drafted:
Woods (2006 - 4th round)
Chad Jones (2007 - 3rd Round)
PP7 (2008 - 1st Round)
Randle (2009 - 2nd Round)
Ware (2010 - 6th Round)
Landry (2011 - 2nd Round)
So out of 15 5*'s signed by LSU in that time, LSU has had only 1 go in the 1st round, and 2 in the late 2nd.The rest were 3rd, 4th or 6th rounders.
Looking at it, one would be shocked by such horrible numbers, but then looking at LSU's development of some less heralded high schoolers into first rounders is pretty impressive as well.
I'd be interested to see how this pans out for other schools.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:07 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
I blame Javi .
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:08 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:In Anthony's case. . .
who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
quote:
The individual
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:02 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Sometimes 5* just means a kid matured early. College ready in HS, but never goes beyond that.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Loston was drafted due to concussion issues primarily. I stillsdon't have a clear answer on what happen to Johnson.(Besides the obvious failed drug test)
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:59 pm to tigbit
why does there have to be blame. Stuff happens
Posted on 5/12/14 at 4:17 pm to Mattwells90
quote:
The player. If the same coach develops a 3 star and put him in the league but a more talented 5 star doesn't make it, you can't blame the coach.
such a good point....i never thought of it this way.
Bennie Logan ***
Freak *****
who got drafted.....who put in the work? They were side by side at one point.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:27 pm to dstone12
I think these kids get so hyped coming out of high school, maybe gained a certain attitude and false hype about themselves because of it, that they just look past the college level and automatically think that they will be NFL players. 3 star player seem to come in to college with a chip on their shoulders and something to prove, whereas 5 star kids think they are stars already. ??
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:03 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:Agreed.
Yeah, that's pretty dumb calling him a bust.
Now if we want to call some busts out, call Trovon Reed, Christian Westerman, Kiehl Frazier, Erique Florence, DeAngelo Benton, Jake Holland, Jonathan Rose, and some more out from recent Auburn classes. They deserve it. I'm giving Trovon Reed one more year since he moved to cornerback, though. He has supposedly worked his way into the rotation, but I doubt he ever lives up to the 5 star hype.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:07 pm to Mattwells90
quote:
The player. If the same coach develops a 3 star and put him in the league but a more talented 5 star doesn't make it, you can't blame the coach.
stars =/= talent Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:59 pm to ToulatownTiger
quote:
Do remember LF looks like a 30 year old man before he has even entered college. That is why i believe he will have such a big impact as a freshmen. He is mature enough already
At the RB stage, that's different. He already has the size, speed, and power to play in the NFL. He just needs to do the little things like learn pass protection, develop even more his already great receiving hands, and mature mentally (that's something that all players need regardless of position).
Also let me say this, people need to realize that giving him a large amount of carries will not hinder his future. Some of the best RBs had heavy college workloads then played 10-13 years in the NFL putting up great stats.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:26 pm to dstone12
quote:The one who has the chest to manage the step up in class where you're not a man amongst boys anymore.
who got drafted.....who put in the work? They were side by side at one point.
The character seer can out-recruit the star gazing competition.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:13 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Loston gets exposed in coverage and that was obvious, "freak" turned to "fizzle" and can't hold up at the point of contact, guess you can say he's actually a bit soft!
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:09 am to RollTigers
Well, you blame three people:
1. The player
2. The player
3. and.............The player.
Ron Brooks, James Wright. They weren't five stars, but these guys didn't play or get exposed as much as most of our drafted players. Both got drafted because they were good enough to play in the NFL. If you're good enough, you get drafted.
1. The player
2. The player
3. and.............The player.
Ron Brooks, James Wright. They weren't five stars, but these guys didn't play or get exposed as much as most of our drafted players. Both got drafted because they were good enough to play in the NFL. If you're good enough, you get drafted.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 12:14 am
Posted on 5/13/14 at 6:16 am to VerlanderBEAST
A look into the future at the 5 star players we missed this year
Cam R
Speedy
Willis
Brown
Right now no one can guarantee for certain which of the 4 will start in the NFL
Lets watch them play college ball and see where they get drafted
Cam R
Speedy
Willis
Brown
Right now no one can guarantee for certain which of the 4 will start in the NFL
Lets watch them play college ball and see where they get drafted
Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:15 am to TTsTowel
If someone already hadn't, I was coming to post exactly what you just did to set the record straight about Coleman.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:42 am to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:
So who do you blame when *5 stars go undrafted?
personally I don't "blame" anyone...
Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:42 am to abellsujr
quote:
Ron brooks James wright etc....
Good point, furthermore, Alfred blue, a Rb got drafted. Someone on this board said that rbs aren't coveted anymore.
You could assume that dts are one of the most coveted positions in the nfl and still, no one took a flyer on *****anthony Johnson but drafted an injured ****Rb.
Interesting.
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