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re: Sampah transfers to...
Posted on 1/6/23 at 6:31 am to Sampson
Posted on 1/6/23 at 6:31 am to Sampson
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was a top 10 LB nationally. LSU’s biggest busts have been at that position minus QB recent years
I guess we're even with the football gods for finding NFL talent in 3 star LBs Deion Jones and Duke Riley.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:06 am to datten1
Both which were from Louisiana.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:13 am to LSU1215
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I was laughing at CU fans when they was mad Deion want take 3 stars from Colorado but got 3 star from Texas. The competition levels just different levels better to gage player.
Be better…
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:16 am to deuce985
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It's almost like he looked at 247 rankings and offered players
Well he hired some coaches based on the opinion of the rant so nothing would surprise me at this point
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:43 am to macaoidh
A lot of these northern kids don’t pan out it seems. Jury is still out on Greg Penn too
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:50 am to deuce985
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It's almost like he looked at 247 rankings and offered players. JKing of course but
Why JK? I think that’s EXACTLY what he did.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:55 am to Ironhead985
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I was never really high on Sampah, but I thought Phillip Webb would be an absolute monster.
Man, I had to go back and look - but Phillip Webb was a .97 composite recruit with all the big time offers. Amazing he barely saw the field. Recruiting is just a crap shoot at times, hopefully you hit more than you miss.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:38 am to LSUSkip
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Was he the one that couldn't take the heat?
That was not Sampah, that was Clifton Garrett
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:43 am to macaoidh
Him and Webb were medical retirements before the season, is what it is. Not every player is the same player after injuries.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:43 am to togar tiger
Recruiting LBs is a hard case study these days. It used to be you could go after guys like Lionel Turner or Ryan Baker, guys that could fill gaps & thud & do enough outside the tackles to get by.
Now the prerequisite is you have to be able to run. And if you can run & are only 210, you have to be able to gain weight & still run. (See Debo & Duke Riley). They may take a little while longer to develop, but that is the blueprint.
The issue is that it is easy to get caught up in looking at HS kids and seeing them be 4.9 guys(like Turner & baker for instance) but still dominating. So they think it will translate. Because the other kids aren’t running like SEC guys. The game speed doesn’t look all that different.
Got to be able to see these kids in camp, get verifiable running times, change of direction times, flexibility measures. It takes a good bit more of projecting & scouting than it used to.
Now the prerequisite is you have to be able to run. And if you can run & are only 210, you have to be able to gain weight & still run. (See Debo & Duke Riley). They may take a little while longer to develop, but that is the blueprint.
The issue is that it is easy to get caught up in looking at HS kids and seeing them be 4.9 guys(like Turner & baker for instance) but still dominating. So they think it will translate. Because the other kids aren’t running like SEC guys. The game speed doesn’t look all that different.
Got to be able to see these kids in camp, get verifiable running times, change of direction times, flexibility measures. It takes a good bit more of projecting & scouting than it used to.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:45 am to philly444
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A lot of these northern kids don’t pan out it seems. Jury is still out on Greg Penn too
Penn had a really solid season. He got exposed at times sideline to sideline but overall had one of the better seasons at LB recently here. PFF grade of 69.4. He graded out basically the same as Baskerville this season.
Penn is a more classic between tackles linebacker but there's still a need for that in today's game. He's a guy you want for games like A&M where you have to stop the run.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:49 am to deuce985
Alabama bought Sopsher out from under us thinking he would be a beast. We aren't the only one that misses on projections with these guys. Look at A&M qb room. Those are highly ranked guys. If 3 recruiting services and 18 schools and coaching staffs offer a 5 star or high four star safety a scholarship, it because theres a ton of athletic potential there. You can see the athlete in Derrick Davis when he's on the feild. He just hasn't figured out how to play a position at a high level with his skill set. But point is everyone misses a ton. Louisiana is under evaluated on a national level from an athletic standpoint. Its why you see these 2 and three star guys finding alot of success at the college level at smaller schools.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:00 am to Lester Earl
I think it’s more difficult to evaluate LB’s as well. You need guys who can go sideline to sideline, especially with how much defenses are now playing with 2 deep safeties. As the game changes, I do wonder if coaches try to convert RB’s and larger safeties to LB more often as they likely have the physical attributes necessary for the position nowadays.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:22 am to BiggaGeauxrilla
The point is he whiffed more than he did well in evaluations. That's why so many consecutive recruiting classes almost don't exist on the roster now. You can't strikeout on 85% of the recruiting classes which he did.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:26 pm to macaoidh
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He's got to be one of the biggest and costliest busts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:50 pm to Lester Earl
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be 4.9 guys(like Turner & baker for instance)
Ryan Baker was a missile. I highly doubt he ran anything higher than a 4.7 and I'd bet he is closer to 4.59 than 4.70.
Edit: My memory has failed me. I just looked it up and he ran a 4.72 at pro day and a 4.80 at the combine.
Whats crazy is that a 4.8 put him in the top 32% of LBers at the 2012 combine. 2012 doesn't seem like that long ago but a 4.8 basically makes you undraftable in todays game.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:03 pm to deuce985
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The point is he whiffed more than he did well in evaluations. That's why so many consecutive recruiting classes almost don't exist on the roster now. You can't strikeout on 85% of the recruiting classes which he did.
IDK if i'd agree that he whiffed more than he hit. A bigger issue than getting talented players was retaining them. I think he got plenty of good players on campus, he just couldn't get them to stay and he couldn't develop them.
The real issue is that the guys he got were either stars or busts and there weren't enough steady guys like Baskerville or Ali Gaye that weren't stars but did their jobs effectively. We ended up relying on walk ons and the like to fill the gaps in his roster.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 4:36 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I recently drove through Dunn, NC and nearby Campbell Univ. That area is like the arm pit of America. He must not have had many takers. Hopefully he gets his education.
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