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re: Notes Dame Transfer Punter Jay Bramblett Commits to LSU

Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:31 pm to
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Is he a graduate transfer? He wouldn't count towards the 32. He'd only count towards the 85.


Graduate transfers count as initial counters just like everyone else.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14907 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:47 pm to
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I thought I read he got injured but surely him not seeing the field is due to lack of ability.


I remember one of the local sports guys saying Todd has all the leg in the world, but has zero control over where the punt goes.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4472 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:53 pm to
He broke his ankle before his senior year and had to have surgery. He is obviously not ready or they wouldn't be bringing in Bramblett into the stable.
Posted by BiggaGeauxrilla
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
1497 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:38 pm to
I really starting to believe Ed O and hos staff really struggled at evaluating talent...pretty sure they just used espn rankings and took anyone ranked in top 20 at their position...You should be able to get the punter right...good lawd...
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18664 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:20 pm to
Good thing is we don’t have to worry about going over the 85 scholarship limit this year.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13436 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:25 pm to
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I really starting to believe Ed O and hos staff really struggled at evaluating talent...pretty sure they just used espn rankings and took anyone ranked in top 20 at their position...You should be able to get the punter right...good lawd...



Ed O should never be allowed to evaluate or develop talent again. He's a recruiter that should work like a bird dog. You point them at the target and tell them to go get it, it shouldn't be up to him to pick the target

Posted by RussellSheppardsPie
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2018
2011 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:30 pm to
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Ed O and hos


Accurate.
Posted by Herodijontiger
Myrtle Beach S.C.
Member since Apr 2021
894 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:31 pm to
Yes I don't understand this one Todd was supposed to be the no. 1 punter out of High School when he signed, head scratcher.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:52 pm to
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Yes I don't understand this one Todd was supposed to be the no. 1 punter out of High School when he signed, head scratcher.

Just because Todd was supposed to be the number 1 punter out of high school, doesn't mean he's performing like the number 1 punter out of high school.

I mean, I don't love having 2 scholarship punters and 2 scholarship long snappers on the team, but it's not like we're anywhere close to the scholarship limits. Also, consider that the 32 limit on initial counters this year is basically use them or lose them. Once you reach the 25 limit, there's no rolling over the extra 7 to next year.

Bramblett puts us at 22. Considering there are only a few more high school targets we're after, we're going to be hard pressed to reach 32 anyway.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9374 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:31 pm to
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Then he shouldn't have been a 5*.

Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27234 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:35 pm to
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Obviously, there is some issue with him, either injury or ability.



I heard he is still injured. I'm not mad taking this punter even if he wasn't. You have no idea what you have in him.

Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:38 pm to
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The SEC rant is going to love this


Who gives a frick what those assholes think. frick that board.

Enjoy your downvote.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 7:40 pm
Posted by LCLa
Member since Apr 2017
3104 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:40 pm to
College coaches rarely ever evaluate specialists. They take Sailer and Kohl’s word for it.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9374 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:42 pm to
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Once you reach the 25 limit, there's no rolling over the extra 7 to next year.

Do you know this as a fact? Because it’s not entirely clear from what I’ve read. The waiver Q&A says it runs through July 31 but I haven’t been able to figure out whether that actually means no signees after that date, or just that transfers after that date don’t count toward the waiver.

They address the question of whether a 2022 EE can use a waiver slot (they can) but not 2023. It seems like an odd thing to leave out of the Q&A TBH.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 10:07 pm to
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Do you know this as a fact?

Pretty sure. At least that's how I interpret the language of the waiver FAQ.

They reference July 31, 2022 as the end of the waiver period several times. I don't know of any way you can sign a guy for the 2023 class in July 2022.

I know you're familiar with the waiver faq, so I'm just quoting sections so others can read along.

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Answer: The blanket waiver permits the following to occur through July 31, 2022

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Question No. 2: Does the blanket waiver change the annual signing or initial counter limit legislation?

Answer: No. Between August 1, 2021, and July 31, 2022, FBS institutions may sign up to 25 prospective student-athletes/initial counters and FCS institutions may add up to 30 initial counters. The blanket waiver and its conditions apply only when those limits are exceeded

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Question No. 3: Does the blanket waiver change the overall counter or equivalency limits?

Answer: No. The overall counter limit (85 in FBS/FCS) and equivalency limit (63 in FCS) remain the same. If the blanket waiver conditions are met, institutions may sign additional prospective student-athletes in excess of the annual signing and initial counter limits through July 31, 2022, but must remain at or below the overall counter and equivalency limits.

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Question No. 9: What if an institution has more than seven counters who depart on or after the earlier of the end of the fall term or December 15, 2021?

Answer: The blanket waiver permits institutions to replace up to seven counters through July 31, 2022....


And finally, this passage regarding signing high school recruits.

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Question No. 20: If an institution replaces a departing counter by signing a high school prospective student-athlete to a National Letter of Intent, must the signing occur within the applicable NLI signing window (e.g., December 15-17, 2021, and February 2 – April 1, 2022)?

Answer: Yes.


If spots could be used after July 31, they would have included the December (at a minimum) signing period as well.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27234 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 10:37 pm to
Seems like if you don't sign 25 high school commits you would be able to roll them over like usual.

I agree that you would lose the other spots.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 10:43 pm to
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Seems like if you don't sign 25 high school commits you would be able to roll them over like usual.

You have to use all 25 of your annual initial counters, which can be used on HS, juco guys or transfers, before you get the additional 7.

If you don't use all 25, then yes, those can be used for early enrollees the following year, but once you get past 25, you might as well use all 32, because I don't think you can use those spots later.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2852 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 11:20 pm to
Everyone is looking at this from the perspective of why LSU might need to bring in a punter, but I’m curious why Bramblett would leave ND to come to LSU. Anyone have insights into his motivations for transferring? Is it as simple as his relationship with Polian?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9374 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:20 am to
That’s an interesting point about the December NLI signing period. I hadn’t considered that, but I agree - it seems like they would have included December 2022 in their example if that was an option.

The thing that trips me up is question #2:
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Question No. 2: Does the blanket waiver change the annual signing or initial counter limit legislation?

Answer: No. Between August 1, 2021, and July 31, 2022, FBS institutions may sign up to 25 prospective student-athletes/initial counters and FCS institutions may add up to 30 initial counters. The blanket waiver and its conditions apply only when those limits are exceeded

When I read it the first time, it seemed like they were saying the normal limit of 25 initial counters runs through July 31. Which sort of makes sense, as the NCAA FBS recruiting calendar runs from August 1 - July 31. But as we know, you can still back count EE’s against the normal limit.

Now I think it might be saying the opposite: that the blanket waiver only applies if the 25 initial counters have been exceeded during that time frame.

When you add everything together it definitely points toward not being able to back count against the extra 7 spots. It just surprises me that they didn’t directly address that question. Then again, I’m not a compliance expert - just a guy who knows how to Google the actual rules. Maybe that’s clear enough for folks who actually work in compliance.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39015 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:16 pm to
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They take Sailer and Kohl’s word for it.


Have an opinion on either / or? I don’t see kids ranked on both usually. Lots of ranking services out there, tough to know who to get in front of…and how often.
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