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re: MBB Portal Targets List
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:30 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:30 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Doesn't matter who what when why or where. The misses fall on the HC.
Kinda of a coincidence how the coaches that win big seem to have less misses than the ones who don't.
Kinda of a coincidence how the coaches that win big seem to have less misses than the ones who don't.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:34 am to tigahlovah
quote:I would bet that 100% of coaches that win big aren't trying to fill out a zeroed out roster under an NOA in a few months. Or maybe you consider that a coincidence. And Trae Hannibal wasn't a miss in the end.
Kinda of a coincidence how the coaches that win big seem to have less misses than the ones who don't.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:52 am to tigersbb
Yes, we are still pushing heavily for Sears and here is the main reason why:
McMahon loves running screens both on and off ball and he needs someone who is highly efficient out of the pick and roll to run his offense. We have also reached out to Coit who is #2 on this list.
McMahon loves running screens both on and off ball and he needs someone who is highly efficient out of the pick and roll to run his offense. We have also reached out to Coit who is #2 on this list.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:53 am to mmcgrath
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t trying to fill out a zeroed out roster under an NOA in a few months.
Thats an excuse for year 1. That excuse doesn't hold water going into year 3.
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Doesn't matter who what when why or where. The misses fall on the HC.
Sure misses are on the HC but the kind of misses do matter. Not being able to identify and recruit guys with enough talent is a much different issue that getting the talent and them being off court problems.
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Kinda of a coincidence how the coaches that win big seem to have less misses than the ones who don't.
He who shall not be named had an unreal track record but even he had some misses. He just brought in enough talent that we didn't notice the misses as much because there were other guys on the team to make up for it.
I think we took Jalen Cook out of desperation and just hoped he would stay out of trouble. We had an abysmal year 1 regardless of circumstances and attracting guys in the portal is difficult when you show that how far you are from competing. I would think after showing the ability to compete last season and having the core of the roster remain, we shouldn't need to take a character risk.
This also makes me wonder, do we not view Mike Williams as a viable option at PG at all? The guy played pretty well as a true freshman. If he improves, I think he could be the PG.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:58 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Thats an excuse for year 1. That excuse doesn't hold water going into year 3.
You are wrong.
Conceptually this is really not that hard to understand.
But yea, who needs good juniors & seniors on their team to build around anyway
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:Which was 1 of the 2 "portal misses" at point guard the poster listed. The other, Jalen Cook, was a miss more because of eligibility, injury, then finally attitude. But he was a P5 talent and did give the team a spark at the beginning of conference play. After that Trae was able to take over.
Thats an excuse for year 1. That excuse doesn't hold water going into year 3.
(Agree with a lot of the rest of your post)
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This also makes me wonder, do we not view Mike Williams as a viable option at PG at all? The guy played pretty well as a true freshman. If he improves, I think he could be the PG.
He could be, but we probably can't expect him to take over to start next season. After next year I think CG3 and MW3 will be able to handle all 40 minutes of the point guard duties as two 6'3" point guards.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:20 am to Lester Earl
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You are wrong.
Conceptually this is really not that hard to understand
I think much of the argument on this issue arises from those vehemently defending McMahon believing those critical of him are unhappy he's not making deep NCAA Tournament runs each season. That's not the case because the expectations aren't that high. But there have been multiple HC's over the last few years that have taken over significantly depleted rosters, built almost completely new rosters through the transfer portal, and won immediately. Not necessarily Final Four level success. But certainly not bottom of the conference among the worst major-conf. programs in America failure.
McMahon had great success in his final season at Murray St. Anyone and everyone who followed college basketball felt the roster he put together in year one would be competitive. Thus, because of his success at Murray he was given the benefit of the doubt it would translate at LSU. It didn't...at all. So he quickly lost all of that benefit of the doubt. If McMahon would have had a season like this year last year you'd see a lot of optimism around him still. But there is very little going into year 3 because there is very little to base it on.
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But yea, who needs good juniors & seniors on their team to build around anyway
You can't "teach" experience. But this team is trending to be maybe the "youngest" team McMahon has had at LSU (currently 5 1st or 2nd year players). Compare that to last season where 9 of 13 players were Juniors, Seniors, or Grad Students.
I can't imagine it is easy for a coach to build a significantly new roster, get it to gel, win, then do it again the next season. But that is college basketball now and coaches are finding ways to completely remake a roster and win immediately. It will be year 3 for McMahon. If he can't do it this year, when will he be able to do so? And no, no one is demanding a deep NCAA Tournament run. But he has to have LSU in significant consideration for a tournament bid this year, right?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:29 am to Lester Earl
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But yea, who needs good juniors & seniors on their team to build around anyway
The transfer portal exists in 2024. If you need good seniors and juniors, go get them.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:37 am to Bert Macklin FBI
The portal makes it easier but y’all act like it’s a game genie cheat code. The way the players filter out does not put a tier 3 basketball school like LSU at a great advantage.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:43 am to Lester Earl
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The portal makes it easier but y’all act like it’s a game genie cheat code. The way the players filter out does not put a tier 3 basketball school like LSU at a great advantage.
Excuses. If our coach can't recruit good players to come to LSU then he shouldn't be coaching at LSU. End of story.
I am not a CMM hater and want him to build on what we did this past year but this idea that he shouldn't be expected to get good players is crazy.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:52 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Excuses
Reality
Using the word “excuse” is such a tired crutch on this board.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:54 am to Lester Earl
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Reality
Using the word “excuse” is such a tired crutch on this board.
There is no reality where an LSU coach in ANY sport is not expected to recruit and sign talented players.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Damn you guys. Y"all have gone and made me have to go and upvote Lester Earl and it makes me feel so sad.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:04 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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There is no reality where an LSU coach in ANY sport is not expected to recruit and sign talented players.
Yea that’s great. It doesn’t negate the fact McMahon basically inherited what would equal an expansion franchise in pro sports. It never was going to be an overnight thing.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:05 am to Tigershine
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mn you guys. Y"all have gone and made me have to go and upvote Lester Earl and it makes me feel so sad.
So you also believe that we shouldn't expect our coaches to sign talented players? I am confused why yall hold the bar so low for a coach that you have confidence in? The idea that LSU basketball can't get good players is insane because we watched his predecessor do it 5 years in a row. 3 of which had the dark cloud that yall claim is crippling us hanging over his head. We can argue about his results with those players but, damn it, we had talented rosters. Hell we even watched Johnny Jones do it to an extent. JJ sucked as a coach but he was able to get good players for a while.
Like I said, I like CMM. I have confidence that he can take another step forward next season and have us in the dance or at least on the bubble. I am confused why yall don't have the same faith in the man? Its fine to accept that year 1 was a result of the situation and the turnover and year 2 was a nice step forward but why shouldn't we expect another step forward?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:07 am to Lester Earl
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It never was going to be an overnight thing.
ITS YEAR 3. Thats an eternity in college basketball. I am not saying he should win a natty next year but we should expect him to build on what he did this year and take another step forward.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:15 am to Alt26
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But he has to have LSU in significant consideration for a tournament bid this year, right?
I’m not sure how you can’t have that expectation. I think given the team he looks to have, he needs to be very smart with his scheduling.
eventually you have to arrive at either he can get good enough players but can’t get good results, or he can’t get good enough players.
Sure there is some leniency. At the very least you need to see the team playing like an NCAA tournament team at the end of the season with high level play from his recruits from the last couple of years to justify that his process is working.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:21 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Actually, from what I read you and your co-horts DO hate CMM. Even more than that, you hate LSU as you do everything you can to disparage the program and bring it down.
I HAVE not lower the bar on the LSU program. I love to watch LSU basketball and March Madness is my favorite time of year, especially when LSU is participating. But I'm also a realist. I'm willing to accept that it's a build up process after the idiot the preceded McMahon performed his sinking of the program. For the life of me I can't make sense of the good that can come from talking about a damn fine offer over a cell phone. What could go wrong?
If you can't see or recognize the direction the program is going, either your tv is broken, or you enter the discussion with an agenda. I hope for the former but believe it's the latter.
I HAVE not lower the bar on the LSU program. I love to watch LSU basketball and March Madness is my favorite time of year, especially when LSU is participating. But I'm also a realist. I'm willing to accept that it's a build up process after the idiot the preceded McMahon performed his sinking of the program. For the life of me I can't make sense of the good that can come from talking about a damn fine offer over a cell phone. What could go wrong?
If you can't see or recognize the direction the program is going, either your tv is broken, or you enter the discussion with an agenda. I hope for the former but believe it's the latter.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:28 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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So you also believe that we shouldn't expect our coaches to sign talented players?
No one said this lol
Program building in any sport is a larger undertaking then just cycling through 2 recruiting classes.
That is not even getting into the state of the program in which McMahon took over. That is just a general statement.
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but we should expect him to build on what he did this year and take another step forward.
No one says this shouldn’t be a reasonable expectation
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:30 am to Tigershine
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Actually, from what I read you and your co-horts DO hate CMM. Even more than that, you hate LSU as you do everything you can to disparage the program and bring it down.
Wanting good players on our team means I hate the coach and program? OK Buddy...
I have faith that CMM can take another step forward. He will further develop Ward, Reed, Williams and Chest. He also has 3 good HS recruits coming in and 1 good guard from the transfer portal. How am I the bad fan for expecting him to take what he has and add another piece or 2 from the portal to be even better than we were this past season?
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I HAVE not lower the bar on the LSU program.
If you don't think CMM can improve this basketball team for next season and are happy with that then you are lowering your expectations.
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If you can't see or recognize the direction the program is going, either your tv is broken, or you enter the discussion with an agenda. I hope for the former but believe it's the latter.
I have said that we took a good step forward this past season. I am confused why you don't have faith that we can take another step forward next season? Seems like you don't believe in the coach or the program. Why do you hate LSU?
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