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re: MBB Offseason '25 Transfer Portal Tracker
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:33 pm to Tigershine
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:33 pm to Tigershine
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They just want to tear it down.
Nah, your guy McMahon is doing a great job of doing that all on his own.
14-40 SEC record 14-40 SEC record 14-40 SEC record
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 6:43 am to Circle K Beggar
Amen brother …. Preach it !!!
The guy Suuuuucccccckkkkkksssss
The guy Suuuuucccccckkkkkksssss
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:12 am to Circle K Beggar
Once again you can keep beating on that strawman but he only exist in your mind. Nobody has defended McMahon's performance, nobody has said he has done a good job, and nobody has said they wanted him to keep his job this off season. Posters here pretty much fall into 2 camps. Those who accept he is here for another year so being negative about the program does no good and want to at least be objective about our chances next year and then you have those who are too controlled by emotion and can't accept this so they have decided to troll every thread about basketball. The funny thing is the first group doesn't think coach has done any better of a job than the 2nd group they just aren't as miserable of people and don't throw tantrums.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:13 am to Circle K Beggar
It's funny how you're willing to completely ignore the fact that it's your hero, the Pear, who orchestrated the tear down. Granted CMM has been unable to resurrect the program but I see where he was hamstrung in that effort and also see signs of new life. Downvote me for being hopeful as that's what you do.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 8:15 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:19 am to Tigershine
Yeah saying he has been bad even terrible but was dealt a tough hand means he is your "guy" apparently lol.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:49 am to Tigershine
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It's funny how you're willing to completely ignore the fact that it's your hero, the Pear, who orchestrated the tear down.
I didn’t bring up Wade. You did. I’ve accepted that Wade will never coach here again. By objective metrics, he’s better than McMahon. But who isn’t at this point?
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Downvote me for being hopeful as that's what you do.
Downvoting is better than wishing dark thoughts on fellow posters. How were you not banned for that?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:01 am to tigersham
Yeah, the cockroaches can't come up with enough garbage on the Rant so they have to crawl all over every other thread.
As a side note Haggerty from Memphis seems to be down to NC State and Ole Miss. And his price is reportedly back down to $3 million. I can see Ole Miss doing that since they don't have a point on their otherwise talented roster, but Wade would be pulling a second starting quality point. Clearly he has $10m plus to play with. And people think he wouldn't have jumped ship from LSU.
As a side note Haggerty from Memphis seems to be down to NC State and Ole Miss. And his price is reportedly back down to $3 million. I can see Ole Miss doing that since they don't have a point on their otherwise talented roster, but Wade would be pulling a second starting quality point. Clearly he has $10m plus to play with. And people think he wouldn't have jumped ship from LSU.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:07 am to Circle K Beggar
Wade is ALWAYS the undercurrent so don't deny it.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:13 am to Circle K Beggar
wasn't banned possibly because some context was taken into account. I've not said one negative remark or wished harm on another poster, then these dark forces show up on EVERY thread about MBB. It just got to be too much. Then, before even the single reply to my offensive post, I thought better of it, eliminated it, and apologized. You, as one of these dark forces, keep bringing it up.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:28 am to Tigershine
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Wade is ALWAYS the undercurrent so don't deny it.
Not at all actually. I’m focused on who is in charge now and it has been a completely unacceptable product (by my standards anyway).
But if you’re fine with this past year, don’t let me rain on your non-tournament parade.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:30 am to mmcgrath
I believe Ole Miss pulled out of that recruitment. Looks like Wades gonna get his guy. I do wonder how much he’ll get though. All these asking prices are out of control.
Apparently Florida stopped recruiting Desmond Claude because of his $4M asking price
Apparently Florida stopped recruiting Desmond Claude because of his $4M asking price
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:51 am to Circle K Beggar
I already said thepast couple of non tournament years have been extreme downers for me. But I consider the context, the extreme circumstance CMM was put under, and I also see what I believe are signs of life. When the Tigers show that they are trending upwards this coming season, will you be a man and come eat your crow? If you only look at the current failures without looking at the circumstances, I just don't know what to say.
As I and others have already said, there must be significant improvement this year or CMM is gone. Did you see those posts or did you just ignore them? Nobody is happy right now, but reasonable people are giving a chance.
As I and others have already said, there must be significant improvement this year or CMM is gone. Did you see those posts or did you just ignore them? Nobody is happy right now, but reasonable people are giving a chance.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:20 am to Tigershine
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But I consider the context, the extreme circumstance CMM was put under
Here's where we differ. McMahon hasn't been under "extreme circumstances." It may have seemed like he was when he was first hired, but anyone who follows CBB as a whole, not just LSU alone, soon realized the circumstances weren't all that "extreme" relative to the CBB landscape. LSU wasn't the only program to lose the majority of its roster. And despite the "cloud of negativity" with respect to the ability to sign players some fans swore existed, the reality showed that really wasn't the case. McMahon did a good job signing a solid HS recruiting class. His transfer class that season was rated as a top 20 class...just like this year's transfer class which is the source of your optimism. The sanctions LSU ultimately go hit with were incredibly minor (1 scholarship loss for 2 years) and ultimately had no effect because LSU got around them with NIL funding. His recruiting, at least with respect to player rankings, hasn't been bad.
He has been largely outclassed on the court at this level of competition. Period. End of story. The results (nearly 100 games) speak for themselves. They aren't just subpar. They are the worst in the SEC over the course of 3 seasons.
Now, that doesn't guarantee LSU will be bad this upcoming season. The double-edge sword of college basketball today is that one offseason can literally tank a program or elevate it to great heights. But the 3 years of poor results removes any benefit of the doubt McMahon may have once been given. That's not unreasonable. It's actually completely logical.
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here must be significant improvement this year or CMM is gone
"significant improvement" is a HIGHLY subjective term. He could be significantly improved from last year and still be a below average team. Being somewhat better than terrible doesn't necessarily equal "good", or even provide assurances of a constant ascent because, just like every other year, next year's roster (regardless of coach) will be significantly different than this year's roster.
The only question that matters is "does LSU think McMahon can ever get the program to a point where it is competing for championships?" Right now that answer looks to be no. If the answer is anything other than an unequivocal yes after this season, even if the results are better than last season (which isn't a difficult bar to reach), then the program should move on because any additional years will just be a waste of time towards reaching the ultimate goal.
Texas just fired a HC (Rodney Terry) that took them to the NCAA tournament in each of his 2.5 seasons as HC. One of those seasons ended in the Elite 8. Terry wasn't "bad". He just wasn't "good enough". Does LSU want to be really good? Or are they fine with being decent here and there with multi-year periods of awful in-between?
"Improvement" isn't what we are looking for. Good is what we are looking for. Don't tell me how great the offseason is for the (now) 4th year in a row. Produce results on the court.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:48 am to tigersham
Wow. That is pretty big. Not sure where Ole Miss turns to for a point guard now. I am guessing the other guy that NC State got might beg out of his commitment and become available.
I think the NIL will come down a bit next year, or at least level off from the explosion this year. Long term I think the best path is to bring in 4-5 man freshman classes and develop, hoping for a bit of home team discount in the long term.
I think the NIL will come down a bit next year, or at least level off from the explosion this year. Long term I think the best path is to bring in 4-5 man freshman classes and develop, hoping for a bit of home team discount in the long term.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:31 am to Alt26
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McMahon hasn't been under "extreme circumstances." It may have seemed like he was when he was first hired, but anyone who follows CBB as a whole, not just LSU alone, soon realized the circumstances weren't all that "extreme" relative to the CBB landscape
well if he was underfunded that is pretty extreme.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:50 pm to Alt26
It seems pretty obvious that it is make the tournament or he is gone.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:05 pm to jamarr
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well if he was underfunded that is pretty extreme.
In 2022 he signed three top 100 rated transfers
In 2023 he signed three top 100 rated transfers
In 2025 he signs three top 100 rated transfer (for the third time)
He's signed more top 100 HS prospects than Auburn and Florida in his time at LSU. Including multiple top 20 rated HS recruiting classes
Maybe he was just fortunate to find the only highly rated prospects/transfers that weren't interested in money.... in a landscape where EVERYONE is interested in money? Or maybe the excuse of him being "extremely underfunded" a bit suspect?
LSU has ranked ahead of Florida every season for the past 3 years in the overall signing classes.
Overall ranking:
LSU:
24: 16
23: 47
22: 17
Florida:
24: 61
23: 51
22: 31
Florida is the National Champion. LSU has as many SEC wins in 3 years as Florida had just this season alone
Posted on 5/8/25 at 2:19 pm to Alt26
I tend to believe it's a progression game. If LSU wins enough games to be on the bubble and become a program higher rated recruits WANT to join, is that enough? Or is it tourney or gone for you? If higher rated recruits see the improvement and want to be a part of it, is that not good enough for you? If you can admit that you se improvement but still want change, then that's just sad.
On the reverse side, regression can be a thing too. If there is no improvement in the program, I would gladly join in your clamor for change. But for right now, McMahon is the reality and I choose to be hopeful for the program to get better.
On the reverse side, regression can be a thing too. If there is no improvement in the program, I would gladly join in your clamor for change. But for right now, McMahon is the reality and I choose to be hopeful for the program to get better.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 3:21 pm to Tigershine
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Or is it tourney or gone for you?
This.
He’s had more than enough time.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 3:45 pm to Tigershine
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I tend to believe it's a progression game.
It's been three seasons and McMahon hasn't shown any great progress besides being able to get a team to a barely .500 record. In fact, he followed up his marginal improvement from year 1 to 2 by immediately regressing right back down to the year 1 lows.
It will have been 4 years. I don't want to see "improvement" from bad to not quite as bad. I want to see a guy who can build a roster then show he can truly compete with major conf. programs. LSU had an SEC low -10 point differential in conf. games last season (which doesn't included the 29 point arse kicking by Miss. St in the SEC tournament. A loss which brought McMahon to 0-5 vs. MSU in his tenure). South Carolina had a lower point differential (-8) which means they were at least, on average, more competitive than LSU.
There is ZERO reason LSU can't have success similar to programs like Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, etc. None of those were historically great programs until they found the right HC. But how long does one have to evaluate a HC until they find he's just not the right guy? Johnny Jones never had a losing record in the SEC in 4 seasons, yet he was gone after one bad season. McMahon has already had two such seasons in three years! Ed Orgeron won a national championship with the greatest team ever assembled by LSU. 1.5 poor seasons later he was gone. Smoke Laval went to the NCAAT four years in a row, twice to the CWS. Yet, one poor year and he was gone. Les Miles won a NC and played for another. He averaged 9 wins a season. Not good enough! Similar for Paul Maineri. Brady went to a Final Four...then was fired 1.5 years later after bad seasons. Yet only Matt McMahon is treated by some as if he is coaching 6th grade girls basketball where winning at a high level isn't important or expected. As long as everyone is having fun and doing ok that's enough.
Go out and have a great season. Show you can compete with any major conf. team on any given night. Show you can win more than 30% of games vs. anyone with a pulse and not just take advantage of a favorable schedule (even in his best season at LSU McMahon was only 3-10 vs. NCAAT teams...2 of the 3 wins coming by just 1 point). Give fans an objective basis to believe LSU be a real contender vs. celebrating not totally sucking.
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