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Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:15 pm
Not sure who the on air person is speaking but he just stated that the LOI isn’t considered a legal document by either the NCAA or the school it’s attached to. He then went on to add that no recruit should ever sign a LOI.
Any truth to this?
Any truth to this?
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:17 pm to geauxbrown
I thought if they signed, they had to enroll or had to sit out a year.
I def think there are repercussions for not honoring the LOI.
ETA: or go Juco.
I def think there are repercussions for not honoring the LOI.
ETA: or go Juco.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:17 pm to geauxbrown
It’s said by legal smartasses all the time, same kind of guys who say “you should never speak to cops ever” and “the federal income tax is unconstitutional.”
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:18 pm to geauxbrown
I think the more binding document may be the acceptance of financial aid
But whether it’s a legal document or not, the NCAA sets its own rules so if they say signing a LOI means you’re stuck with that school then that’s the rule.
But whether it’s a legal document or not, the NCAA sets its own rules so if they say signing a LOI means you’re stuck with that school then that’s the rule.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:18 pm to geauxbrown
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He then went on to add that no recruit should ever sign a LOI.
quote:
Any truth to this?
I mean, if you're a recruit as elite as burch and you can trust that teams/whatever team to which you commit will keep an open spot for you, then that's spot on--there's no upside whatsoever to signing. You limit your options and get nothing in return.
For "ordinary" bluechippers, the upside is that it locks in your spot in the class.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:19 pm to geauxbrown
No clue, but this is getting really awkward for this kid, either he needs to let someone know whats up, are his mom does, i'm really starting to feel like LSU bagman made a strong final push and USCe didn't meet the quota and shes holding the LOI as ransom!!
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:23 pm to Ash Williams
quote:
I think the more binding document may be the acceptance of financial aid
But whether it’s a legal document or not, the NCAA sets its own rules so if they say signing a LOI means you’re stuck with that school then that’s the rule.
Prime example of that is Zach Evans, he sign his LOI with Georgia, and Georgia let him out of it, but he cannot sign another LOI. From what I heard from pundant on various sport radio shows, Zach can show up at any University of his choice and sign his scholarship papers and that it. Once you signed that letter and the University accepts it, it's up to the University to let you out of it.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:23 pm to geauxbrown
If you sign an LOI, you are bound to that school and that school is then obligated at that moment to provide you a scholarship. It locks both parties in, so a 3 star or low 4 star recruit would be wise to sign it so that nothing happens to your scholarship prior to the actual paperwork being signed. A 5 star recruit will have his paperwork to sign when he's ready, by any school he wants to go to, so it isn't imperative that a 5 star sign an LOI.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:25 pm to geauxbrown
If you are a marginal player, i.e., one in danger of being processed, then yes, it benefits that player to lock himself in by signing an LOI.
However, if you are a five-star absolute stud football player like Jordan Burch, there is no advantage gained by signing an LOI.
However, if you are a five-star absolute stud football player like Jordan Burch, there is no advantage gained by signing an LOI.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:29 pm to NattyTiger19
Yes, many top players sign scholarship papers only and do not sign a LOI. The scholarship papers are not binding, but the school is able to consider them a signee at that point and discuss them publicly.
The do not generally release which paperwork they signed or did not sign.
The do not generally release which paperwork they signed or did not sign.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:31 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Not sure who the on air person is speaking but he just stated that the LOI isn’t considered a legal document by either the NCAA or the school it’s attached to. He then went on to add that no recruit should ever sign a LOI.
Any truth to this?
Probably so but it's going to take 20 years of lawsuits all the way to SCOTUS to find out. Good luck.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:34 pm to buckRogers
quote:Yep
you should never speak to cops ever” and “the federal income tax is unconstitutional.”
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:38 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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that school is then obligated at that moment to provide you a scholarship.
Not really. Those LOIs are conditioned in their favor. If an athlete isn't accepted by the university, qualified on NCAA terms or not, the LOI is null and void. Now in practice this isn't going to happen with any frequency, but it can happen. Say if an athlete gets into some serious legal trouble before enrolling, then there is an out.
The primary benefit besides ensuring a spot for the most part, is stopping the insanity of recruiting; like what's going on with Burch.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:39 pm to geauxbrown
NLI
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About the National Letter of Intent
The NCAA manages the daily operations of the NLI program while the Collegiate Commissioners Association (CCA) provides governance oversight of the program. Started in 1964 with seven conferences and eight independent institutions, the program now includes 657 Division I and Division II participating institutions.
The NLI is a voluntary program with regard to both institutions and student-athletes. No prospective student-athlete or parent is required to sign the NLI and no institution is required to join the program.
The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
The penalty for not fulfilling the NLI agreement: A student-athlete has to serve one year in residence (full-time, two semesters or three quarters) at the next NLI member institution and lose one season of competition in all sports.
An important provision of the NLI program is a recruiting prohibition applied after a prospective student-athlete signs the NLI. This prohibition requires member institutions to cease recruitment of a prospective student-athlete once an NLI is signed with another institution.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:40 pm to Ash Williams
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I think the more binding document may be the acceptance of financial aid
Tell that to Matt Womack.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:43 pm to bayou85
Yea, that's not binding at all.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:47 pm to geauxbrown
Sounds like something Rick would say 
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:49 pm to Brobocop
I would think it would have to be turned in and counter signed by the institution to become effective.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:55 pm to texastigerr
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I would think it would have to be turned in and counter signed by the institution to become effective.
It's pre-signed by the institution when the kid receives it. It's a time limited offer. The LOI is not truly effective until it is certified as valid. The individual conferences have the responsibility for that. So the schools submit the signed documents to the conference, they certify or not, if valid then it's game on.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 1:16 pm to Keaux10
I’m sure there is some money being tossed around by LSU and USCe. One would be a fool to think otherwise. Everyone is so quick to say Kirby and Saban are doing it when they land someone in a situation like this but if it’s us they chalk it up to O just being a great closer lol.
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