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Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:16 am to p&g
I'm certain there's an unspoken rule that you don't roll on your competitors regarding this stuff... Because they all do it.
With that said, I'm also certain Alabama cheats in other ways that I wish someone would expose.
With that said, I'm also certain Alabama cheats in other ways that I wish someone would expose.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:19 am to EasterEgg
I'm really not sure if money ever passes hands, but I am sure that Alabama cheats like no one else keeping many of their players academically eligible.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:25 am to p&g
Someone made an excellent point about the IRS and these guys not paying taxes on the income, as well as the bagmen not paying taxes on the payment.
I wish the IRS would step in and put a stop to all of it.
Audit everyone and enforce the rules the impotent NCAA refuses to even try to enforce.
I wish the IRS would step in and put a stop to all of it.
Audit everyone and enforce the rules the impotent NCAA refuses to even try to enforce.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:30 am to p&g
What it really takes is a former Bama player who's really mad at Saban for cutting his playing time or benefits, etc. to rat them out. Someone with nothing to lose now. Probably takes a couple of them to get it started.
That's how it happened at SMU. A high profile recruit wound up not playing due to drugs and eventually got booted from the team. He started talking and revealing the chain of benefits. That led to some others he knew who were mad at the coach. A Dallas sportswriter followed up and had a great investigative piece. It's all in the 30 for 30 "The Pony Express".
Like iconic figures you thought could never be toppled- Bobby Knight and Joe Paterno- former players all started coming out about it together after the fact when they had nothing to lose. Neil Reed reported the choking incident with Knight fairly early on, but he was all by himself and got crucified. But a CNN reporter made it his life's goal to investigate the story to bring Knight to justice, and finally someone showed up with an actual tape of Knight choking Reed at practice. But that all took years to happen. There was incredible resistance on all levels to stain a legendary coach, much less remove him.
Saban is not as rotten to his players as Knight, but I'm sure he's not pure in his "business" dealings of processing players, and I'm sure there's at least one dumb Bama benefactor out there who might not cover his tracks as in the Albert Means saga. But it would take a serious investigative effort by some reporter to uncover any evidence or proof since Saban is too smart to not have his machine cover all bases.
That's how it happened at SMU. A high profile recruit wound up not playing due to drugs and eventually got booted from the team. He started talking and revealing the chain of benefits. That led to some others he knew who were mad at the coach. A Dallas sportswriter followed up and had a great investigative piece. It's all in the 30 for 30 "The Pony Express".
Like iconic figures you thought could never be toppled- Bobby Knight and Joe Paterno- former players all started coming out about it together after the fact when they had nothing to lose. Neil Reed reported the choking incident with Knight fairly early on, but he was all by himself and got crucified. But a CNN reporter made it his life's goal to investigate the story to bring Knight to justice, and finally someone showed up with an actual tape of Knight choking Reed at practice. But that all took years to happen. There was incredible resistance on all levels to stain a legendary coach, much less remove him.
Saban is not as rotten to his players as Knight, but I'm sure he's not pure in his "business" dealings of processing players, and I'm sure there's at least one dumb Bama benefactor out there who might not cover his tracks as in the Albert Means saga. But it would take a serious investigative effort by some reporter to uncover any evidence or proof since Saban is too smart to not have his machine cover all bases.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:54 am to p&g
It’s not so much whether they cheat, but more so if they “cheat” within the system of rules.
As an example, I knew a former player from the 80’s that had a $15+/hour job sitting at a chemical plant just sitting in the office. He bought a car (Cutlas not a charger), had plenty of walking around cash and it was all within the rules at the time and through a booster. He was recruited by A&M, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, etc. and he relayed that they all offered him something either with a high paid “job” or direct cash.
That was 30 years ago and it is reasonable to think the schemes have only become more sophisticated.
As an example, I knew a former player from the 80’s that had a $15+/hour job sitting at a chemical plant just sitting in the office. He bought a car (Cutlas not a charger), had plenty of walking around cash and it was all within the rules at the time and through a booster. He was recruited by A&M, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, etc. and he relayed that they all offered him something either with a high paid “job” or direct cash.
That was 30 years ago and it is reasonable to think the schemes have only become more sophisticated.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 11:12 am to weptiger
I know my recruitment in hoops, late 70s, was an eye opener (popper) and I wasn't even that good. It has to be off the charts, now.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 11:22 am to p&g
NONE of the big dogs are clean.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 11:34 am to p&g
Bama doesn’t cheat anymore than the rest. Including us.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 11:58 am to p&g
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I wished a player like DSjr/LF7 would rat them out.
It is going to have to be a disgruntled player from Bama to blow the whistle on Bama, kind of like what happened to SMU.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 12:09 pm to Tiger Vision
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Then they would end up outing how much they got from LSU.
"Bama offered me $250K but I only took $100k from LSU"
Well the problem is that this theory doesn't make a damn bit of sense. For example LSU signed Stingly and Bama wanted him badly, the same for Marcel Brooks, Ika and other players LSU signed. Ish was not the highest profile player LSU signed by a long shot yet LSU did not lose higher profile players to Bama. If it was just that "Bama pays more" then why did it only work on Ish?
Why did LSU sign 9 of Louisiana's Top 10 players? I suppose Bama didn't think highly enough of Tyrion Davis, John Emery or Kordell? Really? Thr truth is not all recruits have their hands out or have parents or guardians who are trying to cash in on their Son's athletic ability.
It is ridiculous that every time someone brings up Bama and their recruiting sleeze someone else has to
bring up some BS about LSU is dirty too.
Compare the recruiting history of the 2 programs and Bama has a much more serious NCAA violation history than LSU. This shite has been going on at Bama for 60 years. What other Program has had TWO CONSECUTIVE COACHING STAFFS
put on probation and had a Basketball probation also in between the 2 football probations.
Bama is in a league of cheating by themselves and history proves this.
Trying to implicate LSU by saying "well LSU cheats too" with absolutely zero proof and zero history of being a filthy program like Bama is ridiculous and sounds like total crap.
Bama is absolutely filthy and has reached ridiculous levels of cheating before (see Albert Means) and if you can't see what is going on then you simply don't want to.
This post was edited on 2/9/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/9/19 at 12:46 pm to FightinTiga
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The problem is and always will be that Bama is willing to invest much more into CFB because it’s literally the most important thing in the world to them
This is the most accurate description of the difference between them and us. That's why it is laughable that people judge the success of a coach based on how he does against Bama.
They are the gorilla in the room. You can't point fingers and discuss conspiracy but the fact is that they are all in on the football.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 12:48 pm to Tiger Vision
And there is your answer. Cheating is ubiquitous. Alabama just does it at a more luxury level.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 12:49 pm to p&g
We’re not clean. I could tell you something right now, but it wouldn’t be a good idea posting it on a public message board. Think about it this way. Think of the top 25 CFB programs in the country. None of them are “angels” when it comes to this stuff.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 2:15 pm to TheTexasTiger7
Was it six figs or half that?
Posted on 2/9/19 at 2:18 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
It’s amazing how naive and stupid some of our fans are to think LSU doesn’t get dirty with recruiting. I mean O was well known for doing whatever it took to reel in a recruit in the past.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 2:55 pm to p&g
Do the terms "banks" or "casinos" mean anything in this equation?
Posted on 2/9/19 at 3:02 pm to Darius David
quote:
ama doesn’t cheat anymore than the rest. Including us.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 3:08 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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We’re not clean. I could tell you something right now, but it wouldn’t be a good idea posting it on a public message board. Think about it this way. Think of the top 25 CFB programs in the country. None of them are “angels” when it comes to this stuff
No program is clean but I think most rational people realize that bama is on another level. If you know anything please be careful what you post.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 4:06 pm to p&g
I want this to happen but i don't want a LSU recruit involved in anyway.
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