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I guess this playoff makes you rethink star rankings.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Michigan and Washington had less five stars and top 100 players than the teams they played.
The n.c will not have been ranked consistently in top 10 in recruiting for the last three/four years.
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
The n.c will not have been ranked consistently in top 10 in recruiting for the last three/four years.
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:42 pm to Bayou2atl
michigan guys looked big and fast
washington guys were small and had heart and great chemistry
washington guys were small and had heart and great chemistry
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:45 pm to Bayou2atl
Superior coaching was evident
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to Bayou2atl
Washington had an outlier at QB that made up for a lot.
Michigan has a stout D and is well coached. They have above average talent to go along with it and a vicious mentality that comes from Harbaugh.
Also, JJ was a 5 star QB. They have a 5 star CB and Corum was a high 4 star. HS rankings are right more often than not.
Michigan has a stout D and is well coached. They have above average talent to go along with it and a vicious mentality that comes from Harbaugh.
Also, JJ was a 5 star QB. They have a 5 star CB and Corum was a high 4 star. HS rankings are right more often than not.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to Bayou2atl
The difference between the 70th ranked recruit and 170 can be very small.
Michigan has a great coaching staff. Coaching matters too.
Michigan has a great coaching staff. Coaching matters too.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:52 pm to Bayou2atl
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Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
Washington is loaded with seniors, that's why they are good
next year, they will be the next TCU
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:53 pm to Bayou2atl
I always wondered how these kids that come from poor areas afford to go to camps across the country
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:05 pm to BigEdLSU
I hope DeBoer stays out of the SEC in his career. Hes a winner.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:11 pm to Bayou2atl
Here is something I posted in another thread:
What you aren't considering is the amount of players trying to leave their SEC teams after 3 years versus guys going to other programs expecting to be there for 4-5 years. Also a lot more cutthroat at an SEC school. I don't have numbers but I bet turnover is higher. What this means is amount of talent at any given time will be higher in the SEC, but it might be less experienced and less developed than in other programs.
Basically, these non-SEC schools don't have the impetus and need to compete for a national title every year, so their ability to develop talent is on a longer timetable. It helps them develop.
There's also the fact that the entire west coast has like 6-8 serious FBS programs. They have a lot of talent to horde.
What you aren't considering is the amount of players trying to leave their SEC teams after 3 years versus guys going to other programs expecting to be there for 4-5 years. Also a lot more cutthroat at an SEC school. I don't have numbers but I bet turnover is higher. What this means is amount of talent at any given time will be higher in the SEC, but it might be less experienced and less developed than in other programs.
Basically, these non-SEC schools don't have the impetus and need to compete for a national title every year, so their ability to develop talent is on a longer timetable. It helps them develop.
There's also the fact that the entire west coast has like 6-8 serious FBS programs. They have a lot of talent to horde.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Alabama benefits in recruiting ranking just from the Alabama bump. The moment a recruit is offered by Bama they get a bump.
Is it accurate? Who knows.
Is it accurate? Who knows.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:15 pm to Bayou2atl
Stars are irrelevant without context.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:16 pm to Bayou2atl
Last 4 champions
LSU
Bama
UGA
UGA
Of those 4 LSU has been the worst in recruiting and they typically stay inside the top 10
This is the outlier year and all of a sudden rankings don’t matter.
LSU
Bama
UGA
UGA
Of those 4 LSU has been the worst in recruiting and they typically stay inside the top 10
This is the outlier year and all of a sudden rankings don’t matter.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:18 pm to Lester Earl
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Stars are irrelevant without context.
Lol what does that even mean? What other context is there for star rankings?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:26 pm to Bayou2atl
Top end coaching and development.
Transfer portal isn't included in the hs recruiting rankings. No Penix=no Washington
You don't need 85 blue chippers to be a champion. You need 45-50 that develop and play on gamedays.
Experience. Can't recruit it.
Anamolies happen. Name the last champion that wasn't a major recruiting program. I'll grant Clemsons Boyd title.
Transfer portal isn't included in the hs recruiting rankings. No Penix=no Washington
You don't need 85 blue chippers to be a champion. You need 45-50 that develop and play on gamedays.
Experience. Can't recruit it.
Anamolies happen. Name the last champion that wasn't a major recruiting program. I'll grant Clemsons Boyd title.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:34 pm to GhostofJackson
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Lol what does that even mean? What other context is there for star rankings?
age/development/experience
Jalen Brown
On3 grade: 94.82 WR13
vs
Kyren Lacy
On3 grade 84.27 WR166
Is kinda unfair with Lacy being a 4 year player and Brown being a freshman.
The greatest example of this with LSU is 2017 & 2018 with Coach O, when fans were railing O because on paper, he had a ton of star power. But not realizing they were all young. Which obviously all came to a head in 2019.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I hope DeBoer stays out of the SEC in his career. Hes a winner
Well, one thing is for sure AGAINST him. WA did about the worst time management I have seen. They gave Texas about an extra 1:20 near the end of the game that could have lost it. The first was the STUPID pass on 3rd down...incomplete that stopped the clock right before kicking the FG. RUN the damn ball as McElroy said. Then, before the last punt, they handed the ball off 3 times. The third time Dillon Johnson got hurt which stopped the clock until the punt snap. Kneel down all 3 times...avoid injury...avoid penalties that would have stopped the clock. McElroy also said that was dumb. Texas doesn't even get the ball back near the end of the game if those 2 UNFORCED ERRORS don't occur. NOT rocket science!
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:02 pm to NotaStarGazer
yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:09 pm to Jabontik
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yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good
I can't go that far because I'm not familiar enough with him. Oh, and I forgot one BONEHEAD move. Remember the last punt by WA. One of their players ran into the PR and cost them 15. I don't really blame coaches for that but we KNOW FOR A FACT if LSU had done that last year, Polian and Kelly would be blamed to high heaven! That HAPPENED! Polian and Kelly got blamed for fumbled punts, blocked FGs/PATs, and blocks in the back.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:35 pm to Jabontik
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yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good
Lol. He’s a top 5 coach in football today. He’s 104-11 in 8 years as a head coach.
Michigan had a horrible ST game. Doesn’t mean Harbaugh isn’t a good coach. shite happens sometimes.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Lol. He’s a top 5 coach in football today. He’s 104-11 in 8 years as a head coac
I'm going to judge him NEXT year. Orgeron had one fantastic season at LSU and a couple of good ones, and a couple not good. Burrow happened to win the Heisman that fantastic year. This year, Washington came out of nowhere (underdog to Oregon twice BTW) and Penix happened to finish 2nd in the Heisman. And if some posters are correct, the squad is loaded with seniors. And his 8 years as head coach record includes 6 years at Sioux Falls and Fresno State...hardly a grand sample.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 7:42 pm
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