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I guess this playoff makes you rethink star rankings.

Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted by Bayou2atl
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Michigan and Washington had less five stars and top 100 players than the teams they played.

The n.c will not have been ranked consistently in top 10 in recruiting for the last three/four years.

Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?

Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:42 pm to
michigan guys looked big and fast

washington guys were small and had heart and great chemistry
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34847 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:45 pm to
Superior coaching was evident
Posted by 304tiger
West Virginia
Member since Jan 2022
700 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to
Washington had an outlier at QB that made up for a lot.

Michigan has a stout D and is well coached. They have above average talent to go along with it and a vicious mentality that comes from Harbaugh.

Also, JJ was a 5 star QB. They have a 5 star CB and Corum was a high 4 star. HS rankings are right more often than not.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27199 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to
The difference between the 70th ranked recruit and 170 can be very small.

Michigan has a great coaching staff. Coaching matters too.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?


Washington is loaded with seniors, that's why they are good

next year, they will be the next TCU
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:53 pm to
I always wondered how these kids that come from poor areas afford to go to camps across the country
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260225 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:05 pm to
I hope DeBoer stays out of the SEC in his career. Hes a winner.
Posted by GhostofJackson
Speedy Teflon Wizard
Member since Nov 2009
6602 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:11 pm to
Here is something I posted in another thread:

What you aren't considering is the amount of players trying to leave their SEC teams after 3 years versus guys going to other programs expecting to be there for 4-5 years. Also a lot more cutthroat at an SEC school. I don't have numbers but I bet turnover is higher. What this means is amount of talent at any given time will be higher in the SEC, but it might be less experienced and less developed than in other programs.

Basically, these non-SEC schools don't have the impetus and need to compete for a national title every year, so their ability to develop talent is on a longer timetable. It helps them develop.

There's also the fact that the entire west coast has like 6-8 serious FBS programs. They have a lot of talent to horde.
Posted by Grasshopper
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Dec 2007
950 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:11 pm to
Alabama benefits in recruiting ranking just from the Alabama bump. The moment a recruit is offered by Bama they get a bump.

Is it accurate? Who knows.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278296 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:15 pm to
Stars are irrelevant without context.
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
THE REAL MJ
Member since Jan 2007
22128 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:16 pm to
Last 4 champions

LSU
Bama
UGA
UGA

Of those 4 LSU has been the worst in recruiting and they typically stay inside the top 10

This is the outlier year and all of a sudden rankings don’t matter.
Posted by GhostofJackson
Speedy Teflon Wizard
Member since Nov 2009
6602 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:18 pm to
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Stars are irrelevant without context.


Lol what does that even mean? What other context is there for star rankings?
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12380 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:26 pm to
Top end coaching and development.
Transfer portal isn't included in the hs recruiting rankings. No Penix=no Washington
You don't need 85 blue chippers to be a champion. You need 45-50 that develop and play on gamedays.
Experience. Can't recruit it.
Anamolies happen. Name the last champion that wasn't a major recruiting program. I'll grant Clemsons Boyd title.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278296 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:34 pm to
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Lol what does that even mean? What other context is there for star rankings?



age/development/experience

Jalen Brown
On3 grade: 94.82 WR13


vs

Kyren Lacy
On3 grade 84.27 WR166



Is kinda unfair with Lacy being a 4 year player and Brown being a freshman.



The greatest example of this with LSU is 2017 & 2018 with Coach O, when fans were railing O because on paper, he had a ton of star power. But not realizing they were all young. Which obviously all came to a head in 2019.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1125 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:35 pm to
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I hope DeBoer stays out of the SEC in his career. Hes a winner

Well, one thing is for sure AGAINST him. WA did about the worst time management I have seen. They gave Texas about an extra 1:20 near the end of the game that could have lost it. The first was the STUPID pass on 3rd down...incomplete that stopped the clock right before kicking the FG. RUN the damn ball as McElroy said. Then, before the last punt, they handed the ball off 3 times. The third time Dillon Johnson got hurt which stopped the clock until the punt snap. Kneel down all 3 times...avoid injury...avoid penalties that would have stopped the clock. McElroy also said that was dumb. Texas doesn't even get the ball back near the end of the game if those 2 UNFORCED ERRORS don't occur. NOT rocket science!

This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Jabontik
Houston
Member since Dec 2016
2901 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:02 pm to
yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1125 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:09 pm to
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yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good

I can't go that far because I'm not familiar enough with him. Oh, and I forgot one BONEHEAD move. Remember the last punt by WA. One of their players ran into the PR and cost them 15. I don't really blame coaches for that but we KNOW FOR A FACT if LSU had done that last year, Polian and Kelly would be blamed to high heaven! That HAPPENED! Polian and Kelly got blamed for fumbled punts, blocked FGs/PATs, and blocks in the back.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26738 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:35 pm to
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yeah hes not a good coach made some stupid errors against Oregon too. frick DeBoer, Penix makes him good


Lol. He’s a top 5 coach in football today. He’s 104-11 in 8 years as a head coach.

Michigan had a horrible ST game. Doesn’t mean Harbaugh isn’t a good coach. shite happens sometimes.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1125 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Lol. He’s a top 5 coach in football today. He’s 104-11 in 8 years as a head coac


I'm going to judge him NEXT year. Orgeron had one fantastic season at LSU and a couple of good ones, and a couple not good. Burrow happened to win the Heisman that fantastic year. This year, Washington came out of nowhere (underdog to Oregon twice BTW) and Penix happened to finish 2nd in the Heisman. And if some posters are correct, the squad is loaded with seniors. And his 8 years as head coach record includes 6 years at Sioux Falls and Fresno State...hardly a grand sample.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 7:42 pm
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