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re: Eating lunch at the Boston yesterday in Amite
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:17 pm to Dave England
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:17 pm to Dave England
quote:You always have the same agenda. Same bullshite every time you type something.
thats pretty sad. and it would be fine if we werent sold a bill of false good by the coach and AD that he was being hired for his recruiting prowess, to "put the fence up" around the state.
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:24 pm to Mr. Hangover
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At the moment, we have stingley and emery, the state’s best two prospects all but locked up. Are you going to ignore that? Does O not get credit for that?
Let’s give O a hand clap for doing his damn job. We can’t keep losing the recruiting battles when it comes to Elite Dlinemen. You can sign all the running backs and db’s you want, but LSU is at its best when the DLine is attacking and physical up front.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:24 pm to Mr. Hangover
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We’ve lost a few guys here and there, of course. There have also been some situations that might have been mishandled, but that’s subjective. I think it was your own has more than held his own and the recruiting department, all things considered
I think you amended your post after I responded and I think you make fair comments here. However, Miles was fired because 9 wins a year weren't good enough and we were going to get a championship coach. We didn't and I don't think a good faith effort was done. I think we were lied to. In all honesty, I like O but he is a stop-gap coach. He's an above-average recruiter in the difficult position of trying to out-recruit Saban and Fisher. The Sopsher situation is one more piece of evidence showing that O's recruiting abilities alone are not going to be enough to keep us from being a middle of the pack SEC team.
Some people might say that's enough. But LSU was championship-caliber at one time. They're not now. A big part of that is because O is coach. He's a decent guy but he is not a championship-caliber coach and his recruiting results are no better than the guy he replaced.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:28 pm to Dave England
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to those asking what could O have done differently? maybe not claimed that he "understand(s) the expectations at LSU and I invite 'em".
So, if he hadn't said this, then you wouldn't be upset about potentially losing Sopsher?
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there was no reason to get rid of Miles
What are you talking about? Miles wasn't fired for his inability to recruit. Miles was a great recruiter for most of his time at LSU. His biggest issue in recruiting (landing basically one defensive lineman-Davon Godchaux-in 2014 & 2015 combined) didn't become a huge problem on the field until after he was fired, in 2016, when injuries started mounting.
Nobody ever said, Miles sucks as a recruiter, he needs to go. Everyone said, Miles kind of sucks as a coach, but his recruiting is great, so let's keep him another year.
I'm not sure where this false narrative that Orgeron would be an upgrade as a recruiter came from. To me, it's been about a wash. Orgeron has gotten some guys that Miles probably would not have gotten and vice versa. But, Orgeron's classes have appeared to be much better balanced than the last few Miles classes, so that's an improvement.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:37 pm to Dave England
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about 1-2 per year.
remember a guy named "leonard fournette" ?? "devin white" ?
Remember guys named Kardell Thomas and Derek Stingley? How about Jacoby Stevens? Saban was personally calling Stevens every week in the lead up to the 2017 signing day trying to flip him to Alabama.
Saban was constantly telling Kardell he was going to flip him, and he was personally recruiting Stingley, yet Alabama didn't even make his final 3.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:40 pm to The First Cut
I am familiar with the idiot, but as you can tell by my number of posts; I usually just laugh at fools like him. Just finally tired of the idiot with the IQ of a turd.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:46 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
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Let’s give O a hand clap for doing his damn job. We can’t keep losing the recruiting battles when it comes to Elite Dlinemen. You can sign all the running backs and db’s you want, but LSU is at its best when the DLine is attacking and physical up front.
So basically, you’re telling us it’s a no win situation whatsoever. No credit if he lands top recruits like Emery whom he flipped and Stingley, but torn apart for kids not wanting to go to LSU.
Gotcha.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:00 pm to Dave England
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the expectations are that you won't let Bama come in and take who they please. if you are okay with that, then there was no reason to get rid of Miles. period. end of discussion.
besides his refusal to fix the inept offense.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:03 pm to Dave England
you really are an idiot!
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:13 pm to Prominentwon
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So basically, you’re telling us it’s a no win situation whatsoever. No credit if he lands top recruits like Emery whom he flipped and Stingley, but torn apart for kids not wanting to go to LSU.
Nailed it..
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:17 pm to whitefoot
I am not sure what your point is?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:18 pm to Cracking
please tell me how many offenses by the numbers this years and last years has bettered compared to LSU from 2005-2015
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:20 pm to Manswers
I’m not going to go back and forth with you on recruiting, because I don’t think we will agree, so I’ll just leave it alone. Thanks for being sensible while offering differing opinions, that don’t happen much around TD anymore 
I’m sick and tired of the relentless bashing of O, but I actually agree with this. But to be honest, I believe this is the floor for O (a stop gap).. if things go the right way, I could see an 11-1 type season in the near future. Despite what the rant says, were damn close this year. frick Florida’s DEs lol
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I like O but he is a stop-gap coach
I’m sick and tired of the relentless bashing of O, but I actually agree with this. But to be honest, I believe this is the floor for O (a stop gap).. if things go the right way, I could see an 11-1 type season in the near future. Despite what the rant says, were damn close this year. frick Florida’s DEs lol
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:20 pm to Dave England
Nobody in this thread should answer any question from you
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:24 pm to Dave England
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I am not sure what your point is?
That we win recruiting battles against Alabama with highly sought after guys, but some people are laser focused on the losses.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:27 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Nobody in this thread should answer any question from you
Yeah, I used to think he was just a troll who had no ability, or desire, to reason. Then I read one or two decent posts by him on the rant. But I think my first instinct was correct. Maybe he's just an ignorant troll on the recruiting board...
Posted on 11/27/18 at 4:35 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
....and to add...
Thanks Capt Obvious.
But this is true for every team in the history of the game of football.
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but LSU is at its best when the DLine is attacking and physical up front.
Thanks Capt Obvious.
But this is true for every team in the history of the game of football.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 5:02 pm to Prominentwon
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So basically, you’re telling us it’s a no win situation whatsoever. No credit if he lands top recruits like Emery whom he flipped and Stingley, but torn apart for kids not wanting to go to LSU.
He’s the head coach at LSU. He suppose to recruit top notch talent in state. It’s in the job description.
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But this is true for every team in the history
of the game of football.
If that’s the case Mississippi state and Miami would championship teams this year. They both have elite fronts.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 11/27/18 at 5:05 pm to Dave England
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please tell me how many offenses by the numbers this years and last years has bettered compared to LSU from 2005-2015
You're missing the point of my post. I mostly agree with you, but you said there was no reason to fire Miles, but his refusal to fix the offense was the reason. O seems willing to change, but so far he's fired the guy that made the offense somewhat better and hired Les' TE coach. It was a ludicrous move on Coach O's part because he sold LSU and the fans on his willingness to change the offense and bring it into a more spread style, but his solution was to promote his predecessors old school TE coach and hired a passing game coordinator that can hardly stay up past the evening news. WORST move he could've made from the initial optics even if Ensminger can figure it out.
However, the majority of Tiger fans need to try and support the program and stop trashing them. Believe it or not some recruits read a lot into the negativity of the fan base. Its ok to be critical, but when the "fans" trash the coach and the team, it does effect the program.
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