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Are we starting to see the pendulum swing the other way?
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:00 am
When NIL was first legalized, it was a free-for-all bidding on players. After 8&4 bought the #1 class, most assumed the demise of college football.
But, was it?
I'm seeing hints that blue-chip and elite recruits might be rethinking going to a school with the biggest NIL bags.
Think about it: The salaries those recruits reasonably expect to make in the NFL dwarf all but the biggest NIL payments any school could make.
The trick, however, is getting to the NFL in a high draft round. And that takes more than a good social media campaign and fat NIL bags; it takes development and demonstration of potential that justifies the high draft pick elite recruits expect.
My opinion is that those recruits are starting to look past who has the biggest NIL offer to which school has the potential to develop them into a high draft pick AND has a good NIL offer.
There will still be players who chase the biggest payments, just like there will still be players who opt for their dream school regardless of NIL.
Thoughts?
But, was it?
I'm seeing hints that blue-chip and elite recruits might be rethinking going to a school with the biggest NIL bags.
Think about it: The salaries those recruits reasonably expect to make in the NFL dwarf all but the biggest NIL payments any school could make.
The trick, however, is getting to the NFL in a high draft round. And that takes more than a good social media campaign and fat NIL bags; it takes development and demonstration of potential that justifies the high draft pick elite recruits expect.
My opinion is that those recruits are starting to look past who has the biggest NIL offer to which school has the potential to develop them into a high draft pick AND has a good NIL offer.
There will still be players who chase the biggest payments, just like there will still be players who opt for their dream school regardless of NIL.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/29/23 at 10:03 am
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Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:08 am to Dotarian
Doesn't seem like it. Any coaches that have spoken honestly about it, have stated elite recruits are getting 4-700k... that's comparable to an NFL salary at 18-21 when you have 0 life expenses.
Kiffin and others have stated kids openly tell them how much are you going to pay me.
The part we miss as lsu fans is that we also have and spend $$ for kids. Maybe not in same breadth of tx, atm, bama, uga, fl, usc for some, Oregon, but if those big donor and funded schools are 1a, we're 1b from $ standpoint.
Not every kid will be driven by it, but one of the all American games last year asked the leading factor for their recruitment. 50+% was nil... and then program, coaching relationship, system, depth chart and chance to play early split the remaining 50%.
Nil is the driving force, period, but there still has to be some form of trust in a staff and program.
Kiffin and others have stated kids openly tell them how much are you going to pay me.
The part we miss as lsu fans is that we also have and spend $$ for kids. Maybe not in same breadth of tx, atm, bama, uga, fl, usc for some, Oregon, but if those big donor and funded schools are 1a, we're 1b from $ standpoint.
Not every kid will be driven by it, but one of the all American games last year asked the leading factor for their recruitment. 50+% was nil... and then program, coaching relationship, system, depth chart and chance to play early split the remaining 50%.
Nil is the driving force, period, but there still has to be some form of trust in a staff and program.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:17 am to Dotarian
why would they think they can’t get the highest NIL or close to it, get great development and go to the NFL?
No pendulum is swinging anywhere and I see no reason why it ever would.
No pendulum is swinging anywhere and I see no reason why it ever would.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:21 am to Dotarian
It was always likely to settle out. Money will play a factor, but not nearly the end-all-be-all people feared.
I don't see why you would promise a bunch of money to any 17/18 year old.
NIL to me was all about letting the players who had already become college stars make money, not the 3rd string QB who was highly rated out of HS who hasn't played a meaningful snap.
I think you're going to find more people get burned by dumping bags on high rated recruits and they'll stop doing it.
I don't see why you would promise a bunch of money to any 17/18 year old.
NIL to me was all about letting the players who had already become college stars make money, not the 3rd string QB who was highly rated out of HS who hasn't played a meaningful snap.
I think you're going to find more people get burned by dumping bags on high rated recruits and they'll stop doing it.
This post was edited on 10/29/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/29/23 at 10:37 am to Dotarian
I don't think most recruits at their ages, nor those around them in their camps, are thinking long term...most of the time. they want to get paid now when they can. again, not all, but i think its still MOST.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 11:02 am to tiggerthetooth
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I think you're going to find more people get burned by dumping bags on high rated recruits and they'll stop doing it.
Agree 100%. The change won’t come from young dudes accepting less money now for maybe more later. That’s crazy talk. The change will come from “investors” not getting a return on their investment and changing the equation a bit. Deals will have incentives for production. Right now it’s early days and it’s a lot of fools parting with their money (re: TAMU).
Posted on 10/29/23 at 11:21 am to Dotarian
Nah, its still a shite show.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 11:53 am to Dotarian
I still would rather take the kid that wants the money but it's not the top priority right now. The one that's planning 5 years down the road. They exist.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 12:01 pm to caliegeaux
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I don't think most recruits at their ages, nor those around them in their camps, are thinking long term...most of the time. they want to get paid now when they can. again, not all, but i think its still MOST.
It would be really easy for a 17 year old to look at the school with the biggest bag and convince himself that they are also the best program for player development at his position.
Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest
Posted on 10/29/23 at 12:08 pm to Dotarian
NIL has never been as big of a factor as people thought. Players mainly have always gone to where they wanted to play
Posted on 10/29/23 at 2:09 pm to Dotarian
Scary thought
Aggie with a legit coach & all that NIL $$
Aggie with a legit coach & all that NIL $$
Posted on 10/29/23 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
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NIL has never been as big of a factor as people thought. Players mainly have always gone to where they wanted to play
You’re kidding yourself. Recruits are getting money to visit, want PlayStations etc before they even sign. NIL is foremost in the minds of almost every top 150 recruit.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 2:46 pm to lsufan1971
IMHO, the situation is absurd.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 2:46 pm to lsufan1971
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You’re kidding yourself. Recruits are getting money to visit, want PlayStations etc before they even sign. NIL is foremost in the minds of almost every top 150 recruit.
Your general statement is not untrue. It does not mean it is the final deciding factor.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 2:51 pm to Lester Earl
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NIL has never been as big of a factor as people thought. Players mainly have always gone to where they wanted to play
That explains how Aggie suddenly got theat historic class. Just a coincidence that it was the year half of the best players yearned to be Aggies.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 3:37 pm to Dotarian
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My opinion is that those recruits are starting to look past who has the biggest NIL offer to which school has the potential to develop them into a high draft pick AND has a good NIL offer.
Where are you basing this on?
Posted on 10/29/23 at 3:46 pm to Penrod
A&M had been gaining momentum in recruiting well before NIL came into play
Posted on 10/29/23 at 3:53 pm to Lester Earl
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A&M had been gaining momentum in recruiting well before NIL came into play
Why do you think that is? It wasn’t their winning tradition.
Posted on 10/29/23 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
They were hovering in the 5-10 range since Jimbo took over but the year NIL came into effect they displace Bama from their usual top spot. How?
Posted on 10/29/23 at 4:13 pm to BayouTigers4Life
again, it's a factor but not the biggest factor.
where are they this year?
players want to go where they are comfortable and where they can win and play early, too. It's not all about the money and never was
where are they this year?
players want to go where they are comfortable and where they can win and play early, too. It's not all about the money and never was
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