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re: Apparently LSU MBB paid north of 2 mill for Dedan Thomas
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:56 pm to Tigerfan14
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:56 pm to Tigerfan14
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Yea, this isn’t necessarily a good thing.. we’ve got to pay an undersized guard 2nd round money? Are we just going to overpay for a bunch of role players then come up with some other excuse why it didn’t work?
5'9-5'10 Jordan Sears is undersized, 6'0-6'1 is not undersized for a PG
And to be clear, you can still be pretty short and a very effective SEC guard. Please see Zakai Zeigler at Tennessee who is a very good distributor and a good enough scorer...and despite being very short, a very effective defensive player
Jordan Sears was just a product of low level basketball with a game that couldnt translate to the highest level
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 2:01 pm
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:01 pm to Metaloctopus
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All I can say is that if it costs that much to convince a player to come here, McMahon better not fail. If they spend a fortune this off season, just to have a decent roster, and we get the same results, I don't want to hear "give him one more year". You gotta pull the plug. You're just throwing money down the drain, at that point.
That goes to setting program expectations for next year. Simply being "better than this year" isn't an accomplishment, at all. Neither is doing just enough to squeak into the NCAA Tournament in year 4 when your most of your contemporaries are easily reaching and having success in the tournament. If it were year 1? Fine. Even maybe year 2. But in year 4 McMahon has to be able to show he can take a significantly new roster and win immediately with it because that is what is required now in CBB. If the end result is it costs $6M, $7M, $8M+ just to slide in on the bubble then it would probably be a better investment to give those funds to a different HC rather than pay a ton just to hopefully make the NCAA Tournament.
The constant excuses are over. Either show you will reasonably be able to have success on par with the top half of the SEC or it will be time to move on. Otherwise, LSU will be perpetually seeking more and more money just to be slightly above average. That should never be the ultimate goal of the program.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:09 pm to Alt26
No making the tournament will be an acceptable accomplishment and a big step in the right direction
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:10 pm to GeauxFish31
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Good
A couple things:
-I hope we aren’t taking away from the football program to feed this impending train wreck of a basketball program
-with MM at the helm, See above
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:11 pm to king47
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Apparently LSU MBB paid north of 2 mill for Dedan Thomas
Nope. Just north of half that.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:14 pm to Alt26
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Neither is doing just enough to squeak into the NCAA Tournament in year 4 when your most of your contemporaries are easily reaching and having success in the tournament.
Holy goal post moving
Alt, if we go from 3-15 to making the tournament next year - you are stuck with McMahon for another year. That is the only goal right now
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:16 pm to PurpleSingularity
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I hope we aren’t taking away from the football program to feed this impending train wreck of a basketball program
Of course we’re not. In fact, I think it’s the opposite. LSU Football has gotten 3-5 major investors to fund the program, so I’d assume that free’d up some funds for basketball, but we’re definitely not taking away from football
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:20 pm to Metaloctopus
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That sounds like a lot of money for a guy who put up good, but not great numbers, and in a not so great conference.
That's the McMahon tax. Nobody wants to come here and play for this 14-40 clown for any other reason than money. And it's going to take a premium to sway anybody our way over actual contenders.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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And to be clear, you can still be pretty short and a very effective SEC guard
Give me another Tremont Waters and we can talk about his size all day.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:27 pm to Alt26
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That goes to setting program expectations for next year. Simply being "better than this year" isn't an accomplishment, at all. Neither is doing just enough to squeak into the NCAA Tournament in year 4 when your most of your contemporaries are easily reaching and having success in the tournament. If it were year 1? Fine. Even maybe year 2. But in year 4 McMahon has to be able to show he can take a significantly new roster and win immediately with it because that is what is required now in CBB. If the end result is it costs $6M, $7M, $8M+ just to slide in on the bubble then it would probably be a better investment to give those funds to a different HC rather than pay a ton just to hopefully make the NCAA Tournament.
The constant excuses are over. Either show you will reasonably be able to have success on par with the top half of the SEC or it will be time to move on. Otherwise, LSU will be perpetually seeking more and more money just to be slightly above average. That should never be the ultimate goal of the program.
Was this not the point I made, when I said "he better not fail"? It seems like you were going on as if I had said the opposite. Maybe I misunderstood you.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:30 pm to king47
Good to hear we have money
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:31 pm to Double Down
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We have passed that milestone.
I realize that, but I'm making the point from LSU's perspective, since they obviously feel that haven't yet passed it. We can all feel like LSU is already blowing money, but if you commit a fortune, as I said, to building this roster, and the results end up being the same (meaning no NCAA tournament), then you have to pull the plug and bring in a new coach. You can't keep throwing money at him and his players, if the coach proves he can't win, even with significant spending.
I don't know why people would downvote what I said on that. It's as if they didn't read it.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:31 pm to Alt26
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Neither is doing just enough to squeak into the NCAA Tournament in year 4 when you
Well this is ridiculous.
LSU was among the 2 lowest NIL teams in the SEC, and they finished in the bottom 2.
Making the NCAA tournament once finally given a budget is indeed something good.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:33 pm to king47
$10 - $15mm for a roster is stupid
Focus on Football/Baseball and put emphasis on mid level guys to develop
Focus on Football/Baseball and put emphasis on mid level guys to develop
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:39 pm to Metaloctopus
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Was this not the point I made, when I said "he better not fail"? It seems like you were going on as if I had said the opposite. Maybe I misunderstood you.
"Fail" is very general and subjective.
If he goes 18-15 (6-12), many LSU fans would probably tell you that isn't a "failure" because it was better than this year. Others would say it would be a failure because the program (purportedly) spent a lot more money only to get marginally better results.
The question for the AD is what do you want this program to be? Do you want to see the program compete with the likes of Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, even Ole Miss, (none of which were exactly "rolling" before landing their current HCs)? Or are you content with (purportedly) spending a ton of money just to be OK?
History has shown over and over again that if you can land the right guy you can compete at a championship level. Even if the school had little to no great basketball history prior to landing that coach. So there is ZERO reason LSU couldn't be one of those programs...if/when they land the right HC. If you don't think McMahon will ever be that guy, then any subsequent years with him as HC are simply a waste of time.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:41 pm to JimTiger72
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Holy goal post moving Alt, if we go from 3-15 to making the tournament next year - you are stuck with McMahon for another year. That is the only goal right now
If we spend all that money on transfers and only sneak into the tournament, then it’s not worth it. You can’t say that we can build upon that because there is no program building anymore.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:53 pm to Alt26
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"Fail" is very general and subjective.
If he goes 18-15 (6-12), many LSU fans would probably tell you that isn't a "failure" because it was better than this year. Others would say it would be a failure because the program (purportedly) spent a lot more money only to get marginally better results.
I'm sorry, man, but this is a stretch. When I say that if we "spend a fortune" on the roster he "better not fail", I don't know what sane person would think that going 18-15 is a success. This isn't the old days of building rosters through high school recruiting alone. This is a free agent market where they're talking about spending a lot of money on veteran players. The only way to call next season a success with such a financial commitment is to make the NCAA tournament. And depending on who all LSU lands in the portal, the expectation could be higher, but I doubt we get enough talent to be a championship contender.
But if they spend all this money, and they are anything less than an NCAA tournament team, it's a failure. Lots of words are "general and subjective" without context. I think the context of my post should have eliminated any confusion that would require me to spell it out further.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:55 pm to JimTiger72
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Holy goal post moving
It's not goal post moving at all. LSU has made a big deal to say they are significantly increasing their NIL commitment. Good. But with that significant increase should come a significant increase in the bar for success. Spending $6M+ more to go from 14-18(3-15) to 18-14(6-12) and barely making the NCAA Tournament isn't exactly a big ROI...even if it would be improvement
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Alt, if we go from 3-15 to making the tournament next year - you are stuck with McMahon for another year.
Oh, I have no doubt that is correct. But that goes to what are the AD expectations for the program as a whole? Spend a shitload of money every year just to be ok and hopefully sneak into the NCAA Tournament? Or do you want to try to compete for championships? Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee had no great, or at least sustained great, basketball history prior to landing their current HCs. Hell, LSU had a much better basketball history than all three. Ole Miss is, historically, the worst program in SEC history. Yet, they were bold enough to hire a proven HC who, in year two, brought them closer to the top of the mountain that any point in their entire history.
The bar for "success" shouldn't be set based upon the incredibly low level of expectations McMahon has sunk the program to. 18-14 next year would be resounding success if that was the level. It should be set on what the program wants to be. Right now we have fans conditioned to take the Sharon Weston Broome approach to "success". A year with only the 3rd most murders in the city/parish is a "great success" that should be celebrated because it was better than a year with the most murders in history
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:57 pm to KingofthePoint
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and only sneak into the tournament
What does this mean exactly?
A Texas or OU at 6-12 in SEC?
An 8-10 SEC record and a 8, 9, or 10 seed in the NCAAT?
A 10-8 SEC record and a 6 seed?
I guess there's different levels of “sneaking in”, but yeah I guess Missouri going 10-8 & getting in as a 6 seed is the precedent that has been set for a dramatic turn around.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 3:00 pm to lsusteve1
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$10 - $15mm for a roster is stupid Focus on Football/Baseball
Screw baseball.
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