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5 stars committing early
Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:28 pm
I know we have a long ways to go until ESD but it’s just frustrating that the 5 stars we are in on; Smith, Leigh, Foreman and Kool Aid are drawing it out. Meanwhile Bama and Ohio State already have 4 5 stars each. What is the secret to them getting those players to commit early and not draw out the process? You would think after a 15-0 season and a National Championship, players would be chomping after the bit to join this class. Maybe I’m missing something but it is frustrating that Bama and Ohio State seem to not be missing a beat even after finishing second fiddle to LSU.
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Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:32 pm to TexasTiger88
Why exactly does it matter when they commit? So you can brag on the SECR about it? A. O is killing it in recruiting whatever the timing may be, and B. if anything, having top guys commit to us late is advantageous because it screws over the teams who were still in the running and holding out for those guys. We’re fine, take a deep breath
Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:41 pm to TexasTiger88
quote:have to prove we have staying power or pay more
You would think after a 15-0 season and a National Championship, players would be chomping after the bit to join this class.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:42 pm to Forever
Very true, but just remember, it works both ways...
Posted on 7/27/20 at 12:53 pm to TexasTiger88
Unless they all wait and sign for the ESPNU ESD special and all pick LSU 
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:08 pm to arcalades
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have to prove we have staying power or pay more
The only team that has more than our 3 natties since 2000 is Alabama and that includes Ohio State who only has 2. So if Bama is the only team that’s reached the pinnacle more than us in the last 20 years, how is that not staying power?
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:10 pm to Forever
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Why exactly does it matter when they commit?
Because why wait if they want to be apart of this class? Besides you never answered the question on how Bama and Ohio State are getting them to commit early. As another poster pointed out yea you can screw teams over by stringing them along but it works both ways. I’d rather have them commit earlier and put my efforts towards players who are uncommitted/ on the fence.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:12 pm to TexasTiger88
1) I've always heard it said that the NEXT (2022)class is the one most affected by a championship, etc. These relationships (2021) were already being formed in the recent past. Well, tOSU and Bama already had that cache'
2) The class ranking that created the greatest season ever witnessed in CFB (LSU 2019 season) were as follows {247 Composite Rank}
2019 = 5
2018 = 15
2017 = 7
2016 = 2
2015 = 5
I'd suggest anything in the Top 5 to 7 is plenty good enough to win it all
2) The class ranking that created the greatest season ever witnessed in CFB (LSU 2019 season) were as follows {247 Composite Rank}
2019 = 5
2018 = 15
2017 = 7
2016 = 2
2015 = 5
I'd suggest anything in the Top 5 to 7 is plenty good enough to win it all
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:12 pm to Forever
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anything, having top guys commit to us late is advantageous because it screws over the teams who were still in the running and holding out for those guys.
Bad logic. It screws over us also. Only works if we end up getting them. Also, it does help build momentum.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:14 pm to TexasTiger88
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The only team that has more than our 3 natties since 2000 is Alabama and that includes Ohio State who only has 2. So if Bama is the only team that’s reached the pinnacle more than us in the last 20 years, how is that not saying power?
Not to mention it should be LSU 4 titles to Alabama 4 titles if we win in 2011 or if Oklahoma State beats Iowa State last week of the season rather but it is what it is...
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:17 pm to TexasTiger88
I can’t wait until we recruit better so we can have great players that win national awards and win championships.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:24 pm to Lsupimp
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I can’t wait until we recruit better so we can have great players that win national awards and win championships.
One day, brother. One day...
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:25 pm to BilltheTiger
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Bad logic. It screws over us also. Only works if we end up getting them. Also, it does help build momentum.
I think you missed my point. I agree that’s bad logic. That’s why I stated I rather them commit early so that we can get that momentum and focus on guys that are on the fence.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:26 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
This is the answer right here. These kids are following trends as early as junior high. The season we just had will likely not give us an advantage until the 2022 class. The kids Bama is currently getting spent their formative years with Bama as the undisputed #1 team in the country. Hopefully they can stay away from that #1 spot for a couple more years and much of their shine will wear off. You are already seeing some of it die down already.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:29 pm to Lsupimp
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I can’t wait until we recruit better so we can have great players that win national awards and win championships.
Clearly I realize we are coming off a national championship year, undefeated, all the National awards but that doesn’t mean I want us to stop trying to recruit the best just because we can develop 3 stars. There is literally a correlation between recruiting rankings and winning the natty and I can tell you the teams that aren’t getting the high 4 and 5 stars are not the ones winning the natty.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:55 pm to TexasTiger88
OSU
Sawyer- instate, dreamed of being a Buckeye. Pretty simple
McCord- committed really early and is a QB who normally commit early. They pressed before anyone else
Henderson- kid they got on very early in an area they recruit well(VA). He knew where he wanted to go
Jackson- they got him on campus a couple of times last year and blew him away. He jumped aboard pretty early as well and was a longtime lean. The recruit TX well also
Adeleye- highest ranked 4 star. He's a crapshoot still. Already lots of talk he will eventually end up at Bama. He was a longtime lean to Bama before the OSU commit.
Bama
Latham- they were the early, early favorites then it seemed to flip to OSU/LSU. Last month or so before he committed the Bama surge starting being reported until he popped. He always planned to commit early and with a nudge here or there it could've been to us
Brockermeyer- much discussed here. Bama pressed hard early and the structure/NFL tradition won the day. Another that a nudge here or there and he could've been here
Payne- they pressed first and hardest for like 2 years now. Kid himself said he's known for a year. It was just a matter of him being ready to announce.
Brooks-they prioritized him and he was ready to jump and get his spot. They recruit S. FL extremely well
Others
QBs- 4-5 of them. They also grab their spots early.
Williams- Miami just committed, much to the dismay of UGA who had him locked in
Lewis- Tennessee been committed a while and seems to be solid.
Franklin-Oregon could've been Bama. Grabbing his spot
Shipley-Clemson his plan was to commit early. OSU thought they had him for a while
Sanders-Texas TX kid committed to Texas. Self explanatory
Just looking at the 5* kids, the job that Day and his OSU staff are doing in recruiting is absolutely amazing. There are a dozen or so 5* they will either land or end in the top 2-3 for. Could still land 2-3 more. Could blow the doors off the record.
Sawyer- instate, dreamed of being a Buckeye. Pretty simple
McCord- committed really early and is a QB who normally commit early. They pressed before anyone else
Henderson- kid they got on very early in an area they recruit well(VA). He knew where he wanted to go
Jackson- they got him on campus a couple of times last year and blew him away. He jumped aboard pretty early as well and was a longtime lean. The recruit TX well also
Adeleye- highest ranked 4 star. He's a crapshoot still. Already lots of talk he will eventually end up at Bama. He was a longtime lean to Bama before the OSU commit.
Bama
Latham- they were the early, early favorites then it seemed to flip to OSU/LSU. Last month or so before he committed the Bama surge starting being reported until he popped. He always planned to commit early and with a nudge here or there it could've been to us
Brockermeyer- much discussed here. Bama pressed hard early and the structure/NFL tradition won the day. Another that a nudge here or there and he could've been here
Payne- they pressed first and hardest for like 2 years now. Kid himself said he's known for a year. It was just a matter of him being ready to announce.
Brooks-they prioritized him and he was ready to jump and get his spot. They recruit S. FL extremely well
Others
QBs- 4-5 of them. They also grab their spots early.
Williams- Miami just committed, much to the dismay of UGA who had him locked in
Lewis- Tennessee been committed a while and seems to be solid.
Franklin-Oregon could've been Bama. Grabbing his spot
Shipley-Clemson his plan was to commit early. OSU thought they had him for a while
Sanders-Texas TX kid committed to Texas. Self explanatory
Just looking at the 5* kids, the job that Day and his OSU staff are doing in recruiting is absolutely amazing. There are a dozen or so 5* they will either land or end in the top 2-3 for. Could still land 2-3 more. Could blow the doors off the record.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:07 pm to lsufanva
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OSU
Sawyer- instate, dreamed of being a Buckeye. Pretty simple
McCord- committed really early and is a QB who normally commit early. They pressed before anyone else
Henderson- kid they got on very early in an area they recruit well(VA). He knew where he wanted to go
Jackson- they got him on campus a couple of times last year and blew him away. He jumped aboard pretty early as well and was a longtime lean. The recruit TX well also
Adeleye- highest ranked 4 star. He's a crapshoot still. Already lots of talk he will eventually end up at Bama. He was a longtime lean to Bama before the OSU commit.
Bama
Latham- they were the early, early favorites then it seemed to flip to OSU/LSU. Last month or so before he committed the Bama surge starting being reported until he popped. He always planned to commit early and with a nudge here or there it could've been to us
Brockermeyer- much discussed here. Bama pressed hard early and the structure/NFL tradition won the day. Another that a nudge here or there and he could've been here
Payne- they pressed first and hardest for like 2 years now. Kid himself said he's known for a year. It was just a matter of him being ready to announce.
Brooks-they prioritized him and he was ready to jump and get his spot. They recruit S. FL extremely well
Others
QBs- 4-5 of them. They also grab their spots early.
Williams- Miami just committed, much to the dismay of UGA who had him locked in
Lewis- Tennessee been committed a while and seems to be solid.
Franklin-Oregon could've been Bama. Grabbing his spot
Shipley-Clemson his plan was to commit early. OSU thought they had him for a while
Sanders-Texas TX kid committed to Texas. Self explanatory
Just looking at the 5* kids, the job that Day and his OSU staff are doing in recruiting is absolutely amazing. There are a dozen or so 5* they will either land or end in the top 2-3 for. Could still land 2-3 more. Could blow the doors off the record.
Thanks for the write up. Some really good info here. Imo though in regards to Smith not only have we been recruiting him the hardest but we were the first ones to offer plus he’s been to campus multiple times. At this point I’m not quite sure why he hasn’t committed. Same can be said about Ryan. We have been doing and saying all the right things with these guys. I guess I’m just curious as to why the hesitation with them to pull the trigger. I don’t follow recruiting as in depth as you but I do know we have been after these two guys for quite some time and the first ones to offer.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:25 pm to TexasTiger88
Something to ponder (no, I don't have the numbers... or a link):
Seems like for some teams (e.g. tOSU, Bama) when you start hearing good things for other teams from camps, on 247, etc. then all of a sudden they commit.
And then when a 5* flips to them it is always late.
Maybe certain teams/staffs push the commit when other teams start gaining ground. Maybe there's a trigger point in which (for 5*'s) they become aggressive and pushy as a counter to other teams. Where your standard team just increases it's effort without the aggressiveness/pushiness.
What to look for: A 5* leans heavily to a tOSU or Gump, takes OV to another school. Commits less than a week later.
Seems like for some teams (e.g. tOSU, Bama) when you start hearing good things for other teams from camps, on 247, etc. then all of a sudden they commit.
And then when a 5* flips to them it is always late.
Maybe certain teams/staffs push the commit when other teams start gaining ground. Maybe there's a trigger point in which (for 5*'s) they become aggressive and pushy as a counter to other teams. Where your standard team just increases it's effort without the aggressiveness/pushiness.
What to look for: A 5* leans heavily to a tOSU or Gump, takes OV to another school. Commits less than a week later.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:29 pm to TexasTiger88
The school nor coach is responsible for the kids committing early. Kids commit when they want to.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:40 pm to Lsuismyfav
Says the Ohio st and Bama 5 stars...lol
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