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Will I have to tear out my floors?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:29 pm
Just had new LVP flooring put in my house thanks to a slab leak. When I say “just had” I mean the flooring guys finished last Friday.
My daughter just flooded the bathroom this evening. Water got underneath the baseboards and under the new floors. I can hear it underneath my feet and see it come out from between the seams when I step on certain boards. Not a whole lot but definitely noticeable if you are looking for it.
As you can imagine, I’m very pissed at the moment and the prospect of having to tear out the flooring again makes me even more pissed.
The water was overflowing for probably 5 mins before we caught it.
ETA: I feel like I know the answer here but I just want to make sure.
My daughter just flooded the bathroom this evening. Water got underneath the baseboards and under the new floors. I can hear it underneath my feet and see it come out from between the seams when I step on certain boards. Not a whole lot but definitely noticeable if you are looking for it.
As you can imagine, I’m very pissed at the moment and the prospect of having to tear out the flooring again makes me even more pissed.
The water was overflowing for probably 5 mins before we caught it.
ETA: I feel like I know the answer here but I just want to make sure.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:36 pm to grizzlylongcut
My bathroom flooded from a water line breaking under a built in tub and ran for almost an hour before I could cut water off. It ran under my tile floor to the next room. When the restoration company came in later that day they said they weren’t tearing anything out. They put in a large dehumidifier and multiple fans to make sure moving air covered the area including in the cabinet under the tub.
Sure enough, within 3 days it was all dry based on moisture meter measurements on any wood that was wet. They said that as the moisture got pulled out from the edges it would continue to pull from under the tile.
I used this method recently in my new house when we discovered a shower pan leaking through a wall onto my closet floor. Got the equipment from Home Depot and did it myself much cheaper than calling out restoration company.
I’d say if you can get that set up asap, you’ll be fine. Shut the door of the room with the large dehumidifier in it and put a rolled towel at bottom of door to seal it and let it roll a few days.
Sure enough, within 3 days it was all dry based on moisture meter measurements on any wood that was wet. They said that as the moisture got pulled out from the edges it would continue to pull from under the tile.
I used this method recently in my new house when we discovered a shower pan leaking through a wall onto my closet floor. Got the equipment from Home Depot and did it myself much cheaper than calling out restoration company.
I’d say if you can get that set up asap, you’ll be fine. Shut the door of the room with the large dehumidifier in it and put a rolled towel at bottom of door to seal it and let it roll a few days.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:00 pm to grizzlylongcut
Call your insurance ASAP and let them know
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:38 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
I made the mistake of calling insurance right away and the total claim ended up being for only $2500 since they didn’t rip anything out. The water claim is on my record for 5 years and will cost me well more than $2500 in premiums.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:50 pm to mtcheral
I probably overreacted in my statement considering I'm looking and it's just a bathroom. Might be better to contact a company nearby that deals in those situations but it's late right now. They'll probably do as the first reply said and dehumidify everything.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 6:04 am to mtcheral
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I made the mistake of calling insurance right away and the total claim ended up being for only $2500 since they didn’t rip anything out. The water claim is on my record for 5 years and will cost me well more than $2500 in premiums.
Yeah this is why I don’t want to call them right away
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 6:06 am
Posted on 12/12/24 at 6:42 am to grizzlylongcut
What is under the LVP, wooden subfloor or slab?
I’d definitely pull it up carefully until you stop seeing moisture. You should be able to reinstall the same pieces.
Any water trapped under will likely just stay and fester, especially if there’s a underlayer.
I had the same thing happen back in 2017, and the kicker was floor vents that filled with water. Had to go into my crawlspace and cut drainage holes into my ductwork
I’d definitely pull it up carefully until you stop seeing moisture. You should be able to reinstall the same pieces.
Any water trapped under will likely just stay and fester, especially if there’s a underlayer.
I had the same thing happen back in 2017, and the kicker was floor vents that filled with water. Had to go into my crawlspace and cut drainage holes into my ductwork
Posted on 12/12/24 at 6:57 am to grizzlylongcut
The flooring/subfloors in your home are probably not exactly flat and the water will migrate to the lowest point. So, while the sink overflowed in the bathroom, it may have traveled to an adjacent room. I'd pull the flooring up until you stopped seeing moisture. The good thing is you will more than likely be able to re-use the flooring once it's dry, you already know the floor installer to call and the flooring you chose is still in stock. The vinyl floor is going to act as a vapor barrier and prevent the floors from drying. If you find more water than you expect or it migrated under the vanity or walls, you can rent a dehu and dry the remaining items in place without demo.
A water claim like this is one of the worst types of claims you can file under your homeowners. If you can resolve it yourself, do it.
A water claim like this is one of the worst types of claims you can file under your homeowners. If you can resolve it yourself, do it.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:27 am to LSUfan20005
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What is under the LVP, wooden subfloor or slab?
Slab
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:28 am to Cage Fighter Trainee
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water claim like this is one of the worst types of claims you can file under your homeowners. If you can resolve it yourself, do it.
Oh I’m learning that.
Is there a way to get the boards out without breaking too many of them?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:52 am to grizzlylongcut
I had the same thing over a larger area and additional item was to pull the baseboards and shoe moldings. That helped with the drying efforts in addition to using fans, dehumidifiers, etc. that others have mentioned . I ended up replacing the boards and molding.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:58 am to grizzlylongcut
Try and peel them apart by lifting one end almost vertically and holding the adjacent plank down as you separate them. The planks are essentially just snapped together but you need to preserve that locking mechanism/tongue to re-use the planks. You may have to remove some shoe molding to get the first piece off. You can score the caulk line where the shoe meets the base and gently pry the shoe away from the wall. If there is no shoe molding, do the same for the base trim and score along the top of the trim to prevent the wall paint from peeling. You'll get a feel for it after the first few pieces.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:30 am to grizzlylongcut
You should be able to pull it all up and let it dry. Then, reinstall it. NUmber the pieces so you know which ones go where. That's part of the beauty of LVP
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:45 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Call your insurance ASAP and let them know
Always check your policy first. We learned that after Hurricane Ida and roof damage. Damage from a "named storm" carries a higher deductible than say roof damage due to just a bad weather cell.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:39 am to grizzlylongcut
Definitely would be best to pull them up. 100% would if you have a moisture barrier underneath the LVP, which most do. You could imagine water trying to dry on top of a tarp and how long that would take, it'd essentially be like that but with floors on top.
You could take them up, going back a row at a time without damaging them, and see how far the water has traveled. I'd pull back a few rows even after you don't see water because it could have travelled (I've done jobs where the water leaked in the bathroom and there was more water in the hallway than the bathroom because of slope). Since they are already cut to fit you could probably re-install them yourself when your slab is dry if nothing has warped. I'd for sure run some shop fans in there if you have them,
My main concern would actually be your baseboard and sheetrock behind your baseboard. One of the things I do for a living is water and fire mitigation and mold remediation. LVP is a good product and does well with water, but if water got to your baseboard for any sustained time it will eventually warp and if it got to your sheetrock it will develop mold.
That's when an insurance claim would come into play. If I came out there and it was a bad enough leak I'd be taking out floors, running dehumidifiers, wall cavity dryers, air purifier and air movers. Even in a small bathroom. But we'd remove the base and cut out any needed sheetrock that got wet. It's not a simple "I need new floors" insurance claim. It's "I'm taking care of every single thing that might have been effected and ensure there is no mold growth" claim.
You could take them up, going back a row at a time without damaging them, and see how far the water has traveled. I'd pull back a few rows even after you don't see water because it could have travelled (I've done jobs where the water leaked in the bathroom and there was more water in the hallway than the bathroom because of slope). Since they are already cut to fit you could probably re-install them yourself when your slab is dry if nothing has warped. I'd for sure run some shop fans in there if you have them,
My main concern would actually be your baseboard and sheetrock behind your baseboard. One of the things I do for a living is water and fire mitigation and mold remediation. LVP is a good product and does well with water, but if water got to your baseboard for any sustained time it will eventually warp and if it got to your sheetrock it will develop mold.
That's when an insurance claim would come into play. If I came out there and it was a bad enough leak I'd be taking out floors, running dehumidifiers, wall cavity dryers, air purifier and air movers. Even in a small bathroom. But we'd remove the base and cut out any needed sheetrock that got wet. It's not a simple "I need new floors" insurance claim. It's "I'm taking care of every single thing that might have been effected and ensure there is no mold growth" claim.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:36 am to grizzlylongcut
I personally would be pulling up the flooring in hope I could save it. Some LVP and withstand being soaked but some of the cheaper stuff does absorb water despite people thinking its waterproof.
There is a chance you could ignore and and everything would be fine. Some people get lucky like that.
If the flooring does have to come up and is ruined, you may consider biting the bullet and having tile put in the bathroom. Since you have young kid(s), expecting them to never again make a mess in the bathroom is unreasonable. With tile, you can caulk the base/shoe to the flooring. This isn't 100% waterproof but will buy some time to get towels on the floor to soak up the mess.
An even better option than tile for this purpose is solid sheet linoleum glued direct to the concrete. Your wife might faint at the thought of using linoleum in the year 2024 though.
There is a chance you could ignore and and everything would be fine. Some people get lucky like that.
If the flooring does have to come up and is ruined, you may consider biting the bullet and having tile put in the bathroom. Since you have young kid(s), expecting them to never again make a mess in the bathroom is unreasonable. With tile, you can caulk the base/shoe to the flooring. This isn't 100% waterproof but will buy some time to get towels on the floor to soak up the mess.
An even better option than tile for this purpose is solid sheet linoleum glued direct to the concrete. Your wife might faint at the thought of using linoleum in the year 2024 though.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:25 pm to Turnblad85
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If the flooring does have to come up and is ruined, you may consider biting the bullet and having tile put in the bathroom. Since you have young kid(s), expecting them to never again make a mess in the bathroom is unreasonable. With tile, you can caulk the base/shoe to the flooring. This isn't 100% waterproof but will buy some time to get towels on the floor to soak up the mess.
The bathroom is tile, the flooring in the hallway is LVP, which is where the water got under the baseboard and into the hallway/under the floor.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:39 pm to grizzlylongcut
Assuming its just floated? You can just pull it up and reinstall it. Since its freshly laid and bought, you probably have enough leftover to fix any broken ones and install it back down correctly. Depending on your luck and skill its possible to pull it up without breaking any and lay it back down, but extremely unlikely. A good flooring guy should be able to lay it back down in only a small area for you.
A lot of that stuff you could just pull a couple of boards up, suck it up with a vacuum and then put a couple of fans on it while holding it up off the slab. Let it dry, then put it back together. I'm not sure if that makes sense at all.
A lot of that stuff you could just pull a couple of boards up, suck it up with a vacuum and then put a couple of fans on it while holding it up off the slab. Let it dry, then put it back together. I'm not sure if that makes sense at all.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 3:40 pm
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