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Outdoor Kitchen Design
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:07 am
We are getting down to our closing now and I about to release the final design on our outdoor kitchen. For those of you who have one, are there any things you wish you would have done that I might consider? We have a gas grill, 32" flat top cooking surface, two 24" fridges an a sink. The left side of the "L" is also a bar on the outside. I have a few outlets sprinkled around the outside of the bar area, underneath the counter top. The sink is fairly small but should be enough. Going over tonight and taping everything off to make sure there are no fit issues for the stubbed out connections.
Coyote appliances and access doors throughout. Counter tops are granite. Has custom covers.
Thoughts?
Coyote appliances and access doors throughout. Counter tops are granite. Has custom covers.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:07 am to LanierSpots
Looks like you got all that you need and nice setup. Since you are asking for advice / opinions...
You would not ever regret getting a full size sink. I went full size with garbage disposal. think of the platters, dishes and all the cooking tools that you will be trying to wash in that small sink.
next I ask the need for 2 refrigerators? have you considered an ice maker instead of the second? I use mine a ton for packing ice chests seems like every weekend for kids events more so than making drinks, but I like the convenience of it.
Not sure about your space restrictions/size but what about a garbage can?
and if you have a green egg style smoker? simply add a shelf for it to finish out counter top height in that corner?
Just my $0.02 after a quick look over
You would not ever regret getting a full size sink. I went full size with garbage disposal. think of the platters, dishes and all the cooking tools that you will be trying to wash in that small sink.
next I ask the need for 2 refrigerators? have you considered an ice maker instead of the second? I use mine a ton for packing ice chests seems like every weekend for kids events more so than making drinks, but I like the convenience of it.
Not sure about your space restrictions/size but what about a garbage can?
and if you have a green egg style smoker? simply add a shelf for it to finish out counter top height in that corner?
Just my $0.02 after a quick look over
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:45 am to LanierSpots
I'd suggest moving the cook top to the same side as the gas grill, and placing the sink in it's place closer towards the corner. You won't want to have a cooking surface right in the middle of your seating/socializing/food serving area.
Also, if you eventually add a hood vent then both your cooking surfaces will be contained by having them on the same wall.
Also, if you eventually add a hood vent then both your cooking surfaces will be contained by having them on the same wall.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:52 am to YOURADHERE
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I'd suggest moving the cook top to the same side as the gas grill, and placing the sink in it's place closer towards the corner. You won't want to have a cooking surface right in the middle of your seating/socializing/food serving area.
This!
Can I also ask why you are including two 24" fridges in your design? I have one in my outdoor kitchen and it is plenty, plenty, plenty.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:03 pm to lnomm34
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I'd suggest moving the cook top to the same side as the gas grill, and placing the sink in it's place closer towards the corner. You won't want to have a cooking surface right in the middle of your seating/socializing/food serving area.
Agreed. Be sure one of those pull outs is a garbage can.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:09 pm to LanierSpots
Quick look:
Only need one fridge under bar, since where griddle is. Griddle, BBQ and add ceramic smoker in outside corner, on wall.
Only need one fridge under bar, since where griddle is. Griddle, BBQ and add ceramic smoker in outside corner, on wall.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:16 pm to LanierSpots
You don’t have any work/prep space by your sink. You will regret this.
Have you ever seen a kitchen with a sink in the corner? Me either….and there is a reason for this.
Have you ever seen a kitchen with a sink in the corner? Me either….and there is a reason for this.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:20 pm to LanierSpots
I put one of those bar sinks in my basement when I finished it. It's the one thing I would redo. Full size sink.
Agree leave the island portion as counter space.
Replace the second fridge with an ice maker or extra storage.
Think of the setup this way, walking across the kitchen to get stuff while you're cooking sucks when you have to do it a bunch.
Agree leave the island portion as counter space.
Replace the second fridge with an ice maker or extra storage.
Think of the setup this way, walking across the kitchen to get stuff while you're cooking sucks when you have to do it a bunch.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:28 pm to LanierSpots
I think you have some rethinking to do, Lanier... 
Yeah, all the ideas listed make perfect sense. Especially the cook top being moved to the other side and the larger sink.
Yeah, all the ideas listed make perfect sense. Especially the cook top being moved to the other side and the larger sink.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:31 pm to LanierSpots
Ditch the second fridge, add pullout Trashcan do a large sink.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:33 pm to LSUTIGERTAILG8ER
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Not sure about your space restrictions/size but what about a garbage can?
My first thought was "where is the garbage can?". My pull out garbage is a must for me. I also have some storage drawers in my outdoor kitchen and love using them. I have to be careful when I hose everything off. The drawers can take on some water if i'm not careful.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:01 pm to LanierSpots
I don't like any cooking next to a wall, the smoke and splatter end up all over it and it's super difficult to keep it clean.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:06 pm to LanierSpots
Which way is west? I would really try to maximize the shady areas as much as possible.
Also, that grill is going to smoke up that area in the corner. I know from experience. I would not put it there without the possibility of adding a nice vent.
I have my sink in the corner too, but not that close. I would not want it there. And get a big enough sink to atleast stand sheet pans up there to rinse off.
The only thing worse than one musty broken outdoor fridge, and that is two. I would reconsider the need for those two.
Also, that grill is going to smoke up that area in the corner. I know from experience. I would not put it there without the possibility of adding a nice vent.
I have my sink in the corner too, but not that close. I would not want it there. And get a big enough sink to atleast stand sheet pans up there to rinse off.
The only thing worse than one musty broken outdoor fridge, and that is two. I would reconsider the need for those two.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:14 pm to LanierSpots
Where da trash at?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:18 pm to LanierSpots
A trash can.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:26 pm to YOURADHERE
Some great idea and thanks for them. Its my first attempt at this and Id like to get it right. I have a few weeks to work on the design so no issue moving or changing things.
I have a standing butchers block that my parents gave my wife and I when we got married 36 years ago. We have had it in the middle of the kitchen for ever. Now that the new houses have islands, we dont have a place for it. My plan is to have it on the inside of the kitchen "L" so I can use it for cutting and more prep space. Just like we have used it in our kitchen for 30 years. I didnt want to get rid of it. Its solid maple. Looks like the picture below. I will have a trash can under it.
I can kill one of the fridges but I know that the fridge on the grill island allowed us to make that island longer. Without the fridge over there, I think the max is 88". If eliminated the fridge on that side and put both cooking surfaces over there, I would have zero counter space on that side. I think. I am asking the engineers.
Thanks for the advice everyone..
This is an actual picture of our lanai where the kitchen is going to go. You can see there is a large screened opening above the grill area. A lot of people in our neighborhood have done kitchens with the grill right there and are saying there’s no need for ventilation. Hoping that is the case for us.
As for the ceramic grill, I have a Primo XL on a nice stainless cart and I think I am just going to leave it on the cart and be able to move it around. Not sure I want it incorporated in the kitchen for now. Im good with being able to roll it out in the open near the pool and fire it up
I have a standing butchers block that my parents gave my wife and I when we got married 36 years ago. We have had it in the middle of the kitchen for ever. Now that the new houses have islands, we dont have a place for it. My plan is to have it on the inside of the kitchen "L" so I can use it for cutting and more prep space. Just like we have used it in our kitchen for 30 years. I didnt want to get rid of it. Its solid maple. Looks like the picture below. I will have a trash can under it.
I can kill one of the fridges but I know that the fridge on the grill island allowed us to make that island longer. Without the fridge over there, I think the max is 88". If eliminated the fridge on that side and put both cooking surfaces over there, I would have zero counter space on that side. I think. I am asking the engineers.
Thanks for the advice everyone..
This is an actual picture of our lanai where the kitchen is going to go. You can see there is a large screened opening above the grill area. A lot of people in our neighborhood have done kitchens with the grill right there and are saying there’s no need for ventilation. Hoping that is the case for us.
As for the ceramic grill, I have a Primo XL on a nice stainless cart and I think I am just going to leave it on the cart and be able to move it around. Not sure I want it incorporated in the kitchen for now. Im good with being able to roll it out in the open near the pool and fire it up
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:42 pm to MikeBRLA
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Have you ever seen a kitchen with a sink in the corner? Me either….and there is a reason for this.
I originally had the sink on the left side of the gas grill and the fridge on the right side. When we did the measuring, the fridge was so deep that it was going to be a issue for the water connections coming out of our wall. You can see where they are in the picture above. So we just recently swapped them. Id rather it be on the left, closest to the bar area. I may have to switch the sink back, eliminate the 2nd fridge and just put storage there that will not interfere with the plumbing behind it. I am glad you and others said something about that. I was on the fence with it being in the corner
I am not sure at this point I can move the flat top grill to the other side without giving up a lot of space
I have a call with them this afternoon
Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:04 pm to LanierSpots
I'd be nervous putting that butcher block outdoors. I'm no expert, but being that it's unsealed wood I would think that the temperature and humidity changes would cause the end-grain wood blocks to separate. FYI, and you can't seal it since it's used to cut on and food prep. Just something to be cautious of IMO.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:12 pm to LanierSpots
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If eliminated the fridge on that side and put both cooking surfaces over there, I would have zero counter space on that side.
you can keep the same counter space without a fridge underneath.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:18 pm to LanierSpots
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I have a Primo XL on a nice stainless cart and I think I am just going to leave it on the cart and be able to move it around. Not sure I want it incorporated in the kitchen for now.
Trust me.
Incorporate the Primo into the build.
Time to eliminate the rolling cart business.
You doing it, so do it right the first time.
Been there, done that rolling cart with my BGE in the nest before by build out.
One other question to ask yourself:
What all is it that you want to BBQ/Grill that you cannot cook on the flattop griddle?
If you are not 100% sold on both, you could eliminate the gas grill, and use the other space for your Primo XL. just a thought
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 2:24 pm
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