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long distance water transfer
Posted on 12/9/22 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/9/22 at 4:42 pm
situation.....
Ive got some property (undeveloped, no electricity minus a 300 ah battery bank charged via solar) and I need to move water from a stream basin to the top of a hill where I'm building a new "cabin." maybe 300ft total distance. with 40ish feet total lift. with only 10-12 lift from stream to pump.
my previous "settlement" was very close to the stream. I have a fish cleaning table and propane shower being fed from a 275 gallon tote through a dc powered diaphragm pump to give house like pressure. currently I'm using a Ryobi battery powered transfer pump to pull water from stream to refill water tote.
once I move to top of hill I'll need a good way to refill tote again and I'm pretty sure the battery powered pump won't cut it over that distance. lol.
initial plan was just water catchment but I need something in place before that and an auxillary method afterwards.
the cheap/hard way to refill would be 4 or 5 - 5 gallons jugs at a time brought to the top with side by side. which is extremely daunting for the first fill up at least.
I also like the idea of a standalone gas powered pump that would be capable of pumping it the entire way. however that would be a good bit of money on the pump plus 2 inch hose to the top (most I've seen have 2 inch output).
Im not familiar with these types of pumps and although it's strong enough to do the whole trip I think it would pump water from stream faster than it replenishes... plus I'd prefer cheaper (even if slower) garden hose vs 2 inch. and as I understand it (and could certainly be wrong) you will run into issues with back pressure if your hose can't keep up with flow (ie I can't easily convert down to 3/4 inch?)
so does anyone have any good ideas for this? could I daisy chain 2 or 3 diaphragm pumps to make the distance? maybe a single smaller electric (AC) pump would work keeping in mind the limited electricity.
I would not be needing to refill extremely regularly. I only get out there about 15 times a year and generally only use 200 gallons or so in the same period. 3 or 4 top offs a year probably.
this camp doubles as homestead should we need to GTFO of the city or whatever so a relatively sustainable way to easily transfer water would be very important in that situation.
Ive got some property (undeveloped, no electricity minus a 300 ah battery bank charged via solar) and I need to move water from a stream basin to the top of a hill where I'm building a new "cabin." maybe 300ft total distance. with 40ish feet total lift. with only 10-12 lift from stream to pump.
my previous "settlement" was very close to the stream. I have a fish cleaning table and propane shower being fed from a 275 gallon tote through a dc powered diaphragm pump to give house like pressure. currently I'm using a Ryobi battery powered transfer pump to pull water from stream to refill water tote.
once I move to top of hill I'll need a good way to refill tote again and I'm pretty sure the battery powered pump won't cut it over that distance. lol.
initial plan was just water catchment but I need something in place before that and an auxillary method afterwards.
the cheap/hard way to refill would be 4 or 5 - 5 gallons jugs at a time brought to the top with side by side. which is extremely daunting for the first fill up at least.
I also like the idea of a standalone gas powered pump that would be capable of pumping it the entire way. however that would be a good bit of money on the pump plus 2 inch hose to the top (most I've seen have 2 inch output).
Im not familiar with these types of pumps and although it's strong enough to do the whole trip I think it would pump water from stream faster than it replenishes... plus I'd prefer cheaper (even if slower) garden hose vs 2 inch. and as I understand it (and could certainly be wrong) you will run into issues with back pressure if your hose can't keep up with flow (ie I can't easily convert down to 3/4 inch?)
so does anyone have any good ideas for this? could I daisy chain 2 or 3 diaphragm pumps to make the distance? maybe a single smaller electric (AC) pump would work keeping in mind the limited electricity.
I would not be needing to refill extremely regularly. I only get out there about 15 times a year and generally only use 200 gallons or so in the same period. 3 or 4 top offs a year probably.
this camp doubles as homestead should we need to GTFO of the city or whatever so a relatively sustainable way to easily transfer water would be very important in that situation.
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 5:50 pm to tgerb8
what about a small lawn mower trailer with one of those square water tanks on it?
a small battery and bilge pump is all you need to fill it up as needed and i think everyone can always have use of a small trailer on a place like that
a small battery and bilge pump is all you need to fill it up as needed and i think everyone can always have use of a small trailer on a place like that
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:03 pm to tgerb8
Yeah, you’d need more power. Maybe a generator tied into a float switch in the tank(s) to power a pump in the stream.
Have you considered large capacity reservoirs near the cabin tied into a gutter system? Stayed at a buddies secluded camp in the woods growing up that was a few storage sheds connected by plywood walkways. Water would collect from the gutter system. We would boil the water to clean with and pack in potable water for cooking/consumption.
Have you considered large capacity reservoirs near the cabin tied into a gutter system? Stayed at a buddies secluded camp in the woods growing up that was a few storage sheds connected by plywood walkways. Water would collect from the gutter system. We would boil the water to clean with and pack in potable water for cooking/consumption.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:09 pm to tgerb8
Ram pump video
Not sure it would work in your set up, but the concept in this video looks pretty interesting if you could just get it to continually pump into your catch basis and have the overflow go back to the stream.
Not sure it would work in your set up, but the concept in this video looks pretty interesting if you could just get it to continually pump into your catch basis and have the overflow go back to the stream.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:37 pm to tgerb8
Does the stream have constant flow to drive a paddlewheel?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
There’s a couple viable solutions IMO.
If you will have a large tank at the new house, you could simply pay for a water truck to deliver potable water for the initial fill. Then you could either reclaim water, and/or use a small 30 gal tank on the SxS with a 12V pump to transfer from the stream to the tank manually. Besides the initial truck to fill, this is a pretty small cost. But it’s a manual process, albeit pretty minimal.
You could get much more elaborate and use a gas pump with enough lift to get from the stream to the tank. The hoses to run the distance would be somewhat costly, but not too bad. You’d also have the 2” hoses just laying there at all times, along with the pump.
I know people who tried to rig up to solar systems or paddle wheels to slowly pump a little bit of water to the top. That’s an option as well but I don’t get the sense you’re too worried about power or efficiency.
If you will have a large tank at the new house, you could simply pay for a water truck to deliver potable water for the initial fill. Then you could either reclaim water, and/or use a small 30 gal tank on the SxS with a 12V pump to transfer from the stream to the tank manually. Besides the initial truck to fill, this is a pretty small cost. But it’s a manual process, albeit pretty minimal.
You could get much more elaborate and use a gas pump with enough lift to get from the stream to the tank. The hoses to run the distance would be somewhat costly, but not too bad. You’d also have the 2” hoses just laying there at all times, along with the pump.
I know people who tried to rig up to solar systems or paddle wheels to slowly pump a little bit of water to the top. That’s an option as well but I don’t get the sense you’re too worried about power or efficiency.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:27 pm to LSUtigerME
Depending on where you are you might want to consider just putting in a well. I have watched videos of people doing it theirselves if you will hit water pretty quickly.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:54 am to tgerb8
I'd get a second tote and tie into the existing. Rent a submersible pump and hoses, dig sump in stream, install box, drop pump in and fill. If it's going to be long term, lay some PCV or PEX from point A to B.
Not sure what kind of rainfall the area gets, but I'd get a rain collection system going as soon as possible. Never know what's growing in the stream water.
Not sure what kind of rainfall the area gets, but I'd get a rain collection system going as soon as possible. Never know what's growing in the stream water.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 7:23 am to Capt ST
quote:
Never know what's growing in the stream water.
There's always something shittin upstream
Posted on 12/10/22 at 7:47 am to omegaman66
I found those interesting, too. But it looks like they’re illegal most places in the SE, from what I checked.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:28 am to tgerb8
Personally and I’m pretty easy going, but this would get old dealing with constantly especially with women around using the shite out of water.
I would strongly consider two options.:
1.) generator powered pump
2.) 2 tanks, one on a trailer. Trailer the one down the hill and fill up. Trailer back up and refill main tank at camp.
Well’s a great idea also and would add substantial value to the property. I’m not an engineer but most pumps will move a hell of a lot more water than you need. For example most boat bilge 12v pumps will do 500-2000 gph for 5-10 ft of lift. I’ve gotta think there’s some very reasonable pump options for you.
I would strongly consider two options.:
1.) generator powered pump
2.) 2 tanks, one on a trailer. Trailer the one down the hill and fill up. Trailer back up and refill main tank at camp.
Well’s a great idea also and would add substantial value to the property. I’m not an engineer but most pumps will move a hell of a lot more water than you need. For example most boat bilge 12v pumps will do 500-2000 gph for 5-10 ft of lift. I’ve gotta think there’s some very reasonable pump options for you.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 10:32 am
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