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First Time Growing Vegetables/Fruit - Soil Question
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:35 am
I am growing bell peppers, cherry tomatoes, and cucumbers for the first time. I have a million questions but I will try to organize it into a few. I am about to move my seedlings to my raised garden bed. Growing the seedlings has been much easier as I just bought a simple seedling mix and added some liquid fertilizer once they sprouted.
1) The internet has led me down 2 paths.
A: Use a bagged soil from a company like Fox Farm and add some nutrients as needed.
B: Mix bagged soil (40%) with compost (30%), perlite (10%), and peat moss (20%).
Which path do I take?
2) Organic. Am I overthinking the label on this? I have an obsession with buying everything with the label organic. Can anyone relate or advise what they do here?
3) Based on your above experiences, do you have any specific brands you recommend?
1) The internet has led me down 2 paths.
A: Use a bagged soil from a company like Fox Farm and add some nutrients as needed.
B: Mix bagged soil (40%) with compost (30%), perlite (10%), and peat moss (20%).
Which path do I take?
2) Organic. Am I overthinking the label on this? I have an obsession with buying everything with the label organic. Can anyone relate or advise what they do here?
3) Based on your above experiences, do you have any specific brands you recommend?
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:50 am to Buddy the Tiger
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The square foot gardener recommends 1/3 each compost, peat moss, and vermiculite or perlite. Is it just one bed? I buy garden soil in bulk from a nursery and add vermiculite and a little peat moss to it. I have the soil tested and make arrangements from there. I also like the 18"-24" tall garden beds so I fill the first 12-14" with logs and pine nuggets.
The square foot gardener recommends 1/3 each compost, peat moss, and vermiculite or perlite. Is it just one bed? I buy garden soil in bulk from a nursery and add vermiculite and a little peat moss to it. I have the soil tested and make arrangements from there. I also like the 18"-24" tall garden beds so I fill the first 12-14" with logs and pine nuggets.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:50 am to Buddy the Tiger
I use Garden Greaux from the LSU Ag Center. Has everything you need in it already.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:55 am to Buddy the Tiger
Is your plan to grow things this season, harvest, then start over next year? Or is the plan to have the plants live permanently. Makes a big difference in what soil you should choose.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:04 am to Trout Bandit
where does one get Garden Greaux? can you pick it up on Baton Rouge area?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:11 am to GITiger66
Cleggs and LA Nursery have it
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:11 am to Buddy the Tiger
Basic “garden soil” (composted forestry products, either bagged or bulk) amended with additional composted organic matter and typical vegetable fertilizer such as 8-8-8 or 13-13-13 should work well for you. Try not to overthink it. Something like this as recommended by a local (BR) large retail garden center.
Maybe you want to invest purchasing this as a reference guide.

Maybe you want to invest purchasing this as a reference guide.

Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:24 am to Buddy the Tiger
quote:i dont use factory fertilizers or herbicides. just do that (use natural products) and your beds will be happy and productive. for example as noted in another thread, 30% vinegar with a little dawn soap is the cheapest and best herbicide you can use. bugs are going to find you, its what they do. i dont use insecticides either, 8 times out of 10 ladybugs and assisin bugs will do the job for you. if it gets bad, mix a weak solution of dawn soap and spritz the plants
Organic. Am I overthinking the label on this? I have an obsession with buying everything with the label organic. Can anyone relate or advise what they do here?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 12:10 pm to Buddy the Tiger
The first thing to remember about gardening, is that your plants are only going to be as healthy as their soil. Soil is a living ecosystem of its own, so you want your soil to be as healthy as possible. Think of plants like people. They will be happier and healthier with a nutritious diet. Trying to grow a garden with junky dirt is like giving a human a steady diet of McDonald's.
That being said, there are really many ways to do it. It needs to be nutrient-dense but also variable in its materials. This is roughly what I do.
70% soil
- It will say planting mix or garden mix. This is a mixture with sand, vermiculite, or larger pieces of organic material.
- This is NOT top soil.
20% compost
- Lots of people love Black Kow manure, and this is what I personally use. You can also add mushroom compost or chicken manure. It sounds gross, but your plants will be happy.
10% amendments
- This can be anything that adds nutrients into the soil.
- For example, my tomatoes get fish emulsion, worm castings, molasses, and an organic fertilizer on a rotation.
- Others can be added after testing your soil. Things like alfalfa meal, bone, meal, and blood meal can add different nutrients according to your garden's specific needs.
Top it with a good 2-3" layer of mulch. It gets hot in my zone (9), so the water needs to stay put.
As far as organic gardening, you will have a ton of options available that are even available at WalMart now. Dr. Earth, Epsoma, and Jobe's are on my shelf. Captain Jack's products are great for pest situations.
Good luck!
That being said, there are really many ways to do it. It needs to be nutrient-dense but also variable in its materials. This is roughly what I do.
70% soil
- It will say planting mix or garden mix. This is a mixture with sand, vermiculite, or larger pieces of organic material.
- This is NOT top soil.
20% compost
- Lots of people love Black Kow manure, and this is what I personally use. You can also add mushroom compost or chicken manure. It sounds gross, but your plants will be happy.
10% amendments
- This can be anything that adds nutrients into the soil.
- For example, my tomatoes get fish emulsion, worm castings, molasses, and an organic fertilizer on a rotation.
- Others can be added after testing your soil. Things like alfalfa meal, bone, meal, and blood meal can add different nutrients according to your garden's specific needs.
Top it with a good 2-3" layer of mulch. It gets hot in my zone (9), so the water needs to stay put.
As far as organic gardening, you will have a ton of options available that are even available at WalMart now. Dr. Earth, Epsoma, and Jobe's are on my shelf. Captain Jack's products are great for pest situations.
Good luck!
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:31 pm to Tigerlaff
My plan is to keep using the same soil and keep the plants alive, if possible.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:34 pm to HouseMom
Thank yall for the advice.
How often do you test your soil to see if it needs anything?
How often do you test your soil to see if it needs anything?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:19 pm to Buddy the Tiger
quote:
My plan is to keep using the same soil and keep the plants alive, if possible.
Then you need to ignore everyone in this thread telling you to fill your beds with decomposing wood chips and compost. Plant the beds with a sandy mineral based soil and put your compost/etc. only on the soil surface. This "living soil" BS is wrong; the life you will be supporting is fungus and bacteria, not roots.
Now if you're going to grow tomatoes and peppers for 6 months and then buy new plants again next year, by all means use the wood chips and compost.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:03 am to Tigerlaff
quote:
This "living soil" BS is wrong
So I was being a little melodramatic, but all I know is that my vegetables are infinitely healthier and produce more when I pay more attention to soil building. It does take a lot of nutrients for a plant to produce fruit.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:55 am to Tigerlaff
quote:without which there would be no life, at all. I grow in heavily amended media and have happy plants, but I do agree with you that topping with organic matter is better than growing in it, in general. What I do for my new beds is gather a tractor bucket of leaf mold or rotted bark and spread in a layer inside the bed, then top with more of the same. The fungi make the whole machine work as naturally as possible
the life you will be supporting is fungus and bacteria
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:22 am to Trout Bandit
quote:
I use Garden Greaux from the LSU Ag Center. Has everything you need in it already.
Plus a few bags Black Kow mixed in with it.
I picked over 1,500 Cherry, Creole, and Roma tomatoes from my raised bed garden (4 foot x 4 foot) and 8 big self watering pots. Along with tons of peppers, squash, cucumbers.
I really just started a few years ago. It's not hard, but can be a little intemidating. The internet and LSU Ag Center are your friends. Also don't be afraid to ask questions. People love to help and offer advised for your garden.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:28 am to cgrand
Only mychorhizzae fungi are playing a huge role in root heath. Because they are symbiotic with the plants to obtain nutrients, these fungi do not need the same level of decomposing matter in the soil. A bed full of compost is growing all kinds of other things too such as phytopthora and armillaria. If you want a long term environment in a container like a raised bed your organic material should only be on top.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:44 am to Tigerlaff
quote:its an interesting conversation, one i have a great deal of enthusiasm for. if all i had to do the rest of my life is plant & grow, i'd be happy.
If you want a long term environment in a container like a raised bed your organic material should only be on top.
i do think the restraint in organics deep in the medium is far more important in a pot than it is in a bed. over time a bed, especially a large bed, tends to find a happy medium on its own
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:02 pm to Buddy the Tiger
What about for mulch? I have read that you can use grass clippings. Has anyone had success using grass clippings?
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:15 pm to cgrand
quote:
the restraint in organics deep in the medium is far more important in a pot than it is in a bed.
Agree. Have done it both ways. Gary Matsuoka on YouTube turned me onto the inorganic philosophy. I didn't believe it would work, but by God it changed EVERYTHING I thought about and did with soil. The results speak for themselves in my case and I have yet to have anyone provide a convincing counterargument.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:16 pm to Buddy the Tiger
quote:
What about for mulch? I have read that you can use grass clippings. Has anyone had success using grass clippings?
Good for feeding the bed but bad for protecting the roots. You want something that will hold moisture in the soil, not wilt in bright sunlight, and won't blow away in the wind. I use cypress mulch because it's not dyed and doesn't float. It's also acidic which 99% of my plants prefer.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:21 pm
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