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Fall foliage - Ginkgo vs. River Birch

Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55598 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:15 pm
Trying to decide between which 2 to plant in my backyard that will couple nicely with a red maple. Trying to create some good fall colors that will encircle a firepit eventually.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5617 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:28 pm to
Don’t do river birch - and I like them - there are better alternatives. Though fast growing, not long lived in the urban landscape, drop plenty of small branches - I had to remove 2, 20 year old river birches 3 years ago - they were really beginning to look bad and in poor health. Almost as bad as 20 year old Bradford Pears.

Don’t know enough about Gingko’s to comment. Southern Sugar Maple might be a tree to consider - Louisiana Superplant. . LINK

ETA: forgot you already had a red maple
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted by greenwave
Member since Oct 2011
3878 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:54 pm to
Our Ginko is pretty but we have a female... get the male.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
41007 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:01 pm to
Chinese Pistache for great fall color.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55598 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Chinese Pistache for great fall color.


This is another one i have on my list. Right now i'm leaning Sugar Maple and Ginkgo in one section of the backyard, and if i can fit it, a Japanese Bloodgood Maple. The other side of the yard will have a couple crape myrtles and a turkey fig tree. May try to plant some blueberries between some of the trees if i have room.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
41007 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:15 pm to
just know that Ginkos are very, very, very slow growing.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55598 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

just know that Ginkos are very, very, very slow growing.


I'm ok with that. I was hesitant at first, because they could get up to 55/60 feet tall. I want the ceiling to be about 50, so a slow growing ginkgo is ok with me. It may look strange next to a fast growing maple for a while, though. Any other trees that sprout some vibrant yellows?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
45778 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:55 pm to
I've been looking at the Autumn Blaze Maple tree lately. Grows fast and provides great fall color.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5617 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:03 pm to
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It may look strange next to a fast growing maple for a while, though. Any other trees that sprout some vibrant yellows?

I was on LSU campus in Nov a couple years ago across from the old Alex Box baseball stadium and spotted a tree with vibrant yellow fall foliage. I took a photo and sent it a forestry colleague for ID. Initially thought I was a pignut hickory based on the leaf arrangement but the colleague was pretty sure it was an ash, and likely Arizona Ash. I was a intentional planting because their were several. Looked just like this (not my photo, an internet photo) .
If this interest you the resident landscape architects on the board would have answer if this might be a suitable tree for planting in Louisiana, I don’t know. Don’t know if ash borers could be an issue. The LSU campus trees were probably 35 to 45 feet tall.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27118 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:22 pm to
Ginkgo is incredibly slow growing. We have two that are 11yrs old in good sun and they might have grown 6 inches in that time.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55598 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:58 pm to
So now I’m trying to decide between ginkgo and hickory. The slow growth bothers me a little. However, we aren’t planning to move, so it’s not a big problem, but would like to be able to see some lush foliage in at least 5-10 years.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70723 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 6:43 pm to
The ginko at my old house was 10ft tall when we moved in, and 20 ft tall when we moved out six years later.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
32313 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 12:57 am to
Look into a Chinese Pistache

CrawDude,

We had a few ash trees on campus. I remember them being pointed out on plant walks in class. I think one was somewhere near the greek houses. The other was old Alex box but I’m pretty sure it’s long gone
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 1:00 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33944 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 6:08 am to
quote:

I've been looking at the Autumn Blaze Maple tree lately. Grows fast and provides great fall color.




I planted a Brandywine last year. I couldn’t find an autumn blaze. Very cool tree.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5617 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Look into a Chinese Pistache

CrawDude,

We had a few ash trees on campus. I remember them being pointed out on plant walks in class. I think one was somewhere near the greek houses. The other was old Alex box but I’m pretty sure it’s long gone


Found the photo of the tree (Nov of 18) with yellow fall foliage on LSU Campus on Skip Bergman Drive, ash (or hickory?) - you can see the indoor football practice building and the “new” baseball stadium in the background.


To the OP, I planted a 15 gallon container Chinese Pistache 3 years ago to replace a Bradford Pear I removed when removing the two 20+ year old river birches I alluded to earlier. It’s looking good, and I’d estimate it’s grown at least 2 feet per year for the past 3 years.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34199 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 6:19 pm to
I curse the former owners of my house daily for planting river birches
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65899 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 7:46 pm to
River Birch around me don't give off too good of fall colors.
Tend to drop their leaves sooner than others
Posted by Bayoubengal85
Kenner
Member since Sep 2005
311 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:32 am to
A River birch is nice tree and all, but if a mouse farts it drops a lot of little branches/twigs. Every now and then I'll walk out to a pretty big branch, 2-3" diameter dropped on my truck. Only good thing is they aren't very dense or heavy so it's never hurt my truck. Seriously considering cutting down it and the 2 pine trees that I have as they are just a pain, constant branch/twig/needle clean up.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
32313 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:48 am to
quote:

Found the photo of the tree (Nov of 18) with yellow fall foliage on LSU Campus on Skip Bergman Drive, ash (or hickory?) - you can see the indoor football practice building and the “new” baseball stadium in the background.


yes that one is over in the parking lot between the canal by football ops and Tiger Park. I'll have to keep an eye out for it this fall.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:34 pm to
I love my ginkgo, but it’s definitely a slow grower in my yard. Still, the leaf shape and fall color are nice. Even when massive, their canopy is not dense or thick. So don’t plant one if you’re looking for deep shade.
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