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Chlorine pool cloudy

Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:39 pm
Help!

I have a gunite pool that I just can’t get clear. We had issue with algae but that appears to be gone.

PH 7.8 - pool place tested

I added a 1/2 gal of acid, a bottle of pool juice yesterday and have run my pump constantly.

Checked again today and my PH is 7.2 according to my tester. Still cloudy

I added 4 pounds of shock this afternoon and plan to run my pump all night.

We have some people coming over Monday and I’d like to have it clear.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3543 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:52 pm to
Cloudy with all the dead algae. You’ll need to flocc and vacuum it to waste.

Do not flocc and let that flocc get disturbed and reach your filter media by having the pump run on filter.

If you have a sand filter, may need to change that soon if you have this issue frequently and battle cloudy algae battles.
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
5176 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:53 pm to
Have you used clarifier? Usually, post algae bloom and correction, dead particles are small enough to pass through sand filters and the result is cloudy water even when every test is good. A clarifier will coagulate the particles to large enough to get caught in filter. Itll take a few days to clear up.

If you want to clear it fast or if its really cloudy, a more extreme clarifier called flocculant is available. It will clump the same particles together and sink to the bottom. The con is that the clumps can not go to your filter. You must vacuum the clumps while bypass filter to waste, so you lose your water.
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:55 pm to
Did that earlier. Question, when I lose water I have to replace that with tap water. I’ve done this already prob 4 times the last couple weeks. Could the tap water aid in the clouding?

Also have used Super Blue clarifier. No luck
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted by EsquireReb
Member since Jan 2014
104 posts
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:54 pm to
Having spent DAYS dealing with this issue here is my advice:
1) Get the Taylor chemical kit I think it's 2006 or something. Don't trust the test strips.
2) Make sure PH, Alkalinity and CYA are in range first. If they aren't, you are wasn't $$$ on adding chlorine and other chemicals.
3) Then address the chlorine issue with a good shocking - I tired to reach 20ppm or so. If you do have some organic algae or something, it will EAT the chlorine. Just adding a little won't do the job. You'll be right where you started. You have to add enough to kill off whatever is causing the problem. It can be a lot...
4) If this doesn't clear the pool, it isn't a chemical issue - it is algae or other particles.
5) algaecide the pool to kill all the algae- a full dose, not just the weekly maintenance amount. ALSO if it is mustard algae, make sure your algaecide says it will kill mustard. Some do, some don't. There is also mustard/yellow specific products.
6) Do not use clarifier - if the pool is very cloudy, you need FLOC. After the algaecide treatment, floc the pool. Put the filter on recirculate, pour in the floc, let it recirculate for 2-4 hours. Kill the filter. Give it 24 hours or so and everything causes the cloudiness will fall to the ground. MANUALLY vacuum the bottom with the filter set to waste. This will stir some of the mess back up. If needed, let it settle again and vacuum again the next day. It took me about 3 vacuum cycles. NOTE: vacuuming to waste will cause you to lose lots of water. Be sure you add some overnight to maintain levels. It is at this step I could finally start seeing the bottom of the pool, especially the shallow end first.
7) After this, my pool cleared up a lot. I then used a clarifier to top it off.

If you have a sand filter - the sand may need changed. If you moved into the house with the pool already there, you may have no clue how long it has been since the sand was changed, if ever.

Another piece of advice... do the math on how many gallons your pool is. Some of these chemicals will recommend how much to add but it is based off of a 10,000 gallon pool or that is usually where the charts starts If your pool is 35,000 gallons or something, you are drastically under adding the needed dosages.

Just my two cents after spending $1000+ in pool chemicals the last two summers.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted by rustyjohnson
LP
Member since Oct 2009
429 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:56 am to
Do you have sand or cartridge filter? If cartridge, clean it well.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1756 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:03 am to
What are chlorine and CYA levels? These are the chemical parameters most related to clarity.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3265 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:13 am to
What kind of filter? If sand you could add some DE
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

What are chlorine and CYA levels?


I don’t know what CYA is. I haven’t checked my chlorine today since I shocked it last night.

I have a sand filter
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

I don’t know what CYA is


You don’t know what your CYA level is? Or you don’t know what CYA is at Al?

Either answer is a bad thing as a pool owner.

CYA is an abbreviation for cyuranic acid. You’ll also hear it called stabilizer.

CYA forms a weak bond with free chlorine in the pool water, and stops it from degradation due to sunlight (UV saps chlorine fast and leads chlorine loss).

Too much CYA binds the chlorine and it becomes ineffective for disinfection (e.g., killing algae).

Your CYA should be around 30-50 PPM.

Anything over around 70 PPM isn’t great. The only way to reduce the level is to drain some water out and replace to dilute the CYA.

That’s a little intro, but you should definitely learn some more about pool chemistry to help you understand what’s going on with your water. It’ll save you a lot of time, money, and stress!

Best of luck!!
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:05 pm to
Yeah, I know nothing about pools. I didn’t want this one. I had one 20 years ago and I never could get it right. Had this one 3 seasons and have had great results until this year I let it run out of chlorine and got algae.

Everyone I talk to says how easy it is to take care of a pool. Watch videos online, it’s easy…. Well this guy thinks it’s hard. I’m very frustrated at this point. I appreciate all the replies

Edit to add..

CYA was at 70 PPM on the 26th before I added the pool juice 911, acid, and shock.

I think I’m going to flock it and vacuum to waste a couple times. That will reduce my water level and hopefully vacuum out any of the particles that y’all are talking about.

The other problem I have is I have two boxers that run around all day and jump in to cool off which puts dirt and sand in the pool. I know this has to be causing some of my problems.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

Everyone I talk to says how easy it is to take care of a pool. Watch videos online, it’s easy…. Well this guy thinks it’s hard. I’m very frustrated at this point. I appreciate all the replies


Sorry brother. I’m sure it’s frustrating. Admittedly I have only had a couple pool for around 15 months. But so far it has been fairly straightforward. I test with a Taylor test kit about weekly and add what I need to keep it balanced.

This spring has been a little tougher - I have had a few close calls where it nearly got away from me due to me not keeping on top of it as often as I should. But as long as I stay vigilant with testing and checking my chemicals, it’s been fairly simple.
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

I test with a Taylor test kit


You have the 2006?

Is that worth the money and how hard is it to use? I have the ph and chlorine tube kit. I can read the PH pretty easily but the chlorine is always way darker than what the scale is. Even if my chlorine is low. I used to use the test strips and I trusted it. If it was in line, my pool stayed clear.

Yet everyone on here says don’t use them.

I appreciate the empathy, it’s frustrating as hell honestly. One day I’ll get it figured out though!
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 8:37 pm
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

quote:

I test with a Taylor test kit You have the 2006?


Is that worth the money and how hard is it to use? I have the ph and chlorine tube kit. I can read the PH pretty easily but the chlorine is always way darker than what the scale is. Even if my chlorine is low. I used to use the test strips and I trusted it. If it was in line, my pool stayed clear.


I think that’s it. It’s super easy to use and worth the money.

I test weekly for pH and chlorine (free only typically but kit can test for total and chlorine demand). It’s literally 5 drops each of two different reagents for free chlorine and 5 drops of a single reagent for pH.

I probably test for alkalinity, CYA, and calcium hardness every six to eight weeks. Those are slightly more involved but it’s still essentially the same process of adding reagents dropwise into the water and watching for color change. If my dumbass can do it, you can certainly do it as well
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1937 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:15 pm to
The higher your CYA, the more chlorine you need to maintain and to shock. You sure as hell need higher than what the basic test kit can test for when CYA is at 70 so you would do well to get the test kit and try to get the CYA down so your chlorine can be more effective. You probably never fully killed the algae.
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

You probably never fully killed the algae.


That’s what I’m afraid of.

Also, I’ve never cleaned my sand and I’m reading that needs to be done yearly. So…. I may call someone to come fix it and maybe they’ll teach me a little along the way.

Is this the test kit?? Amazon Link
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3543 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:42 pm to
Sorry you probably couldn't get it handled ahead of Memorial Day. Moving forward, here's a long-term plan for maintaining your pool chemistry:

Pre-reqs:

P1. Spend an evening reading TFP: Pool School.
P2. Have chems on hand (chlorine/salt, muriatic acid, stabilizer for CYA, baking soda, borax, calcium increaser)

1. Buy this kit: TF 100
2. Download Pool Math mobile app on iOS/Android
3. Test your chlorine, pH, total alkalinity, CYA, and calcium hardness.
4. Plug results into Pool Math app
5. Pool Math app will tell you quantity of chemicals to add to your pool based on your pools volume of water
6. Replace your sand filter sand (get pool sand from a local pool supplier; do not use the quikrete brand pool sand at big box stores)
7. Invest in a pool robot

If you're inheriting a pool, it's best to replace sand because you have no idea what kind of abuse and negligence a previous owner applied to their sand filter. My inherited-pool chemistry battles were decreased tenfold when I changed my sand.

If you aren't a DIY person, may be worth hiring a pool company to come change the sand.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2790 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

Baers Foot


Dude, thank you. I have been looking for something like this. All I ever find are links to buy stuff.

You guys rock!
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3543 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:54 pm to
Bump this thread if you have any questions, good luck!
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16204 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:26 am to
quote:

get pool sand from a local pool supplier; do not use the quikrete brand pool sand at big box stores


Do you think there is a big difference in the 2? Last year I replaced my sand with the Quikrete brand and have had trouble with the fine particles settling to the bottom of the pool every few days even with the pump running 24/7.

I need to rebuild the pump for the Polaris so I haven't been using it. I have a 20x40 pool with only 1 skimmer on the top and none in the bottom. I'm thinking it needs the Polaris running to keep the particles stirred up so the skimmer can eventually catch them?
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