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Advice/thoughts on attic insulation quote?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:38 am
I live in a 2100sq ft single story house. We replaced the hvac a few years ago including the ductwork. Everything was optimized by the hvac company including a new furnace and Remi halo all for the tune of $20k.
It’s still really hot in the house during the summer days and the a/c runs constantly.
We have $350-$400 electric bills in June, July, and August.
Our hvac company says the system is working optimally but our attic insulation is really bad. There are chunks of attic space with zero insulation. There’s an old whole house fan that doesn’t work and the vent in a hallway is still there pretty much shooting attic heat into the house. There’s a gable vent but no attic fan or anything to circulate hot/humid air out.
A quote includes the following:
$4000 to remove old insulation, home air sealing, attic entrance hatch, and r30 blown in fiberglass insulation
$1000 to remove whole house fan and add drywall to the hallway
$1700 for a hybrid attic fan (solar and power motored)
$6700 seems pretty damn steep but I’m sick of it being 80+ degrees in the house from 3pm-8pm. I can make things manageable by chasing the two zones of the house throughout the day, but I’d would like to live in comfort especially with as much money as we’ve spent already.
Thoughts?
Note - We also want to update the kitchen and we have an $18k quote we’re sitting on. If we spend $6700 on attic insulation, it’ll be a year or two before we can go with the kitchen plan.
It’s still really hot in the house during the summer days and the a/c runs constantly.
We have $350-$400 electric bills in June, July, and August.
Our hvac company says the system is working optimally but our attic insulation is really bad. There are chunks of attic space with zero insulation. There’s an old whole house fan that doesn’t work and the vent in a hallway is still there pretty much shooting attic heat into the house. There’s a gable vent but no attic fan or anything to circulate hot/humid air out.
A quote includes the following:
$4000 to remove old insulation, home air sealing, attic entrance hatch, and r30 blown in fiberglass insulation
$1000 to remove whole house fan and add drywall to the hallway
$1700 for a hybrid attic fan (solar and power motored)
$6700 seems pretty damn steep but I’m sick of it being 80+ degrees in the house from 3pm-8pm. I can make things manageable by chasing the two zones of the house throughout the day, but I’d would like to live in comfort especially with as much money as we’ve spent already.
Thoughts?
Note - We also want to update the kitchen and we have an $18k quote we’re sitting on. If we spend $6700 on attic insulation, it’ll be a year or two before we can go with the kitchen plan.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:50 am to StringedInstruments
It’s not the most glamorous job but I just helped a family member shoot over 40 bags of insulation into their attic. Some spaces had zero insulation to begin with, other areas had some but we easily added 6-8 inches. He got all the insulation from Lowe’s and it came with a free rental of the machine for 24 hours.
I think he spent less than $1000 to get it all done. And it took us about 4 hours to knock it all out.
The rest of the stuff might be necessary to hire someone if you can’t do it yourself.
I think he spent less than $1000 to get it all done. And it took us about 4 hours to knock it all out.
The rest of the stuff might be necessary to hire someone if you can’t do it yourself.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:17 pm to StringedInstruments
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$4000 to remove old insulation, home air sealing, attic entrance hatch, and r30 blown in fiberglass insulation
As already pointed out, do you think you may be capable enough to handle yourself? Not sure why you would necessarily need to remove the old insulation, I would just add additional insulation on top of current. And would do it in the winter
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$1000 to remove whole house fan and add drywall to the hallway
Any reason why this can't wait? Any reason you may not be able to remove yourself? Can you do your own drywall?
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$1700 for a hybrid attic fan (solar and power motored)
I was convinced to convert to 2 whirlybirds by my roofer instead of replacing my old, powered attic fan. Biggest issue was mine was power only, so didn't help during outages. The solar option is intriguing.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:42 pm to StringedInstruments
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$4000 to remove old insulation, home air sealing, attic entrance hatch, and r30 blown in fiberglass insulation
I'd probably be OK with this. You'll see the most benefit from these items.
You can get an insulation blanket to cover the attic fan location and they work well.
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$1700 for a hybrid attic fan (solar and power motored)
Never rely on a powered device for attic ventilation. You need some type of vent along the roof ridge and intake vents down lower. Whether that is gable vents or a combination of gable and soffit vents, you need to figure that out. Whirlybirds are best if you have nothing at the roof ridge level.
Personally, I'd go in this order:
1) Fix attic ventilation. You dont want to add insulation until you have gable vents, soffit vents and ridge venting ironed out. It will be a lot harder to do work up there with a bunch of insulation especially if you end up adding soffit venting. You'll want an almost empty attic if you add soffit venting and baffles. The baffles need to be installed before you blow in attic insulation.
2) Get the insulation blanket for the old attic fan location
3) Pay the $4k for those services
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 3:07 pm to StringedInstruments
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$4000 to remove old insulation, home air sealing, attic entrance hatch, and r30 blown in fiberglass insulation
This is way over priced. Like someone else said, buy the blow in stuff yourself from Lowes or Home Depot and get the free rental of the machine.
Go to Home Depot that has all of the "workers" out in the parking lot and hire one of them to do the job.
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$1000 to remove whole house fan and add drywall to the hallway
This seems steep since I had my entire kitchen done for $1800.
Go to Home Depot that has all of the "workers" out in the parking lot and hire one of them to do the job.
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$1700 for a hybrid attic fan (solar and power motored)
I have never seen an attic fan or other device last long and now you have a hole in the roof.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 3:20 pm to BruslyTiger
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This is way over priced.
It is probably a bit high but IMO the value added is the infiltration sealing in the ceiling and adding the attic entrance hatch. Both those jobs suck but add a lot. Combine that with removing old and possibly moldy insulation and adding R30 and not having to do anything yourself is close to worth it if it were me. I'd still shop for a better price but this doesn't seem outlandish.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:04 pm to HangingWithMrCooper
My son recently helped my husband .. got the machine from Lowe’s and idk how many bags. I’m not sure it’s helping our usage but our home is more comfortable.
Spent less than $1000.
Spent less than $1000.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:23 pm to StringedInstruments
I would put turbine 2 or 3 $80 a peace and labor maybe $100 a peace and get a new quote on fan no more $500 blow insulation on top of old
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:27 pm to StringedInstruments
If they really do air sealing, not just pay lip service to it, it is likely more effective than the insulation in a cooling dominated climate.
Infiltration air from leaks from the attic to living space are both hot and humid. Insulation alone doesn't stop leaks, it really only stops heat transfer through conduction, and in case you have ever noticed, air filters are made of fiberglass because the air travels right through them. Some people call fiberglass insulation filter glass, in an old house you can see where the major air leaks are by how dirty the fiberglass insulation is.
My older brother, who, incidentally, knows everything, sprayed R30 fiberglass in my mothers 1964 house that had very little insulation originally and it made no discernible difference in either comfort or the electric bills, but now it's a freaking mess to have to do anything in the attic, and every time the AC guy does the Summer tune up he finds fiberglass on the cooling coils, plus the fiberglass stops up the condensate line. I suspect fiberglass and cellulose are equally bad about this.
My house is sprayfoamed. It is twice the size of my mother's, and my power bills are less than hers. Sprayfoam is better, but in some areas you can't get a termite bond on it and roofing companies don't like to warrant their products on sprayfoamed houses, but it is definitely cooler and quieter and uses less electricity to stay that way, but it is also usually at least twice as much money as the fluffy stuff.
However, so was my built in 72" x 36" refrigerator, and after ten years I can assure you there has never been a time when I walked by it and thought "Gosh, I sure wish I'd bought that cheaper refrigerator."
Infiltration air from leaks from the attic to living space are both hot and humid. Insulation alone doesn't stop leaks, it really only stops heat transfer through conduction, and in case you have ever noticed, air filters are made of fiberglass because the air travels right through them. Some people call fiberglass insulation filter glass, in an old house you can see where the major air leaks are by how dirty the fiberglass insulation is.
My older brother, who, incidentally, knows everything, sprayed R30 fiberglass in my mothers 1964 house that had very little insulation originally and it made no discernible difference in either comfort or the electric bills, but now it's a freaking mess to have to do anything in the attic, and every time the AC guy does the Summer tune up he finds fiberglass on the cooling coils, plus the fiberglass stops up the condensate line. I suspect fiberglass and cellulose are equally bad about this.
My house is sprayfoamed. It is twice the size of my mother's, and my power bills are less than hers. Sprayfoam is better, but in some areas you can't get a termite bond on it and roofing companies don't like to warrant their products on sprayfoamed houses, but it is definitely cooler and quieter and uses less electricity to stay that way, but it is also usually at least twice as much money as the fluffy stuff.
However, so was my built in 72" x 36" refrigerator, and after ten years I can assure you there has never been a time when I walked by it and thought "Gosh, I sure wish I'd bought that cheaper refrigerator."
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:58 pm to StringedInstruments
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Thoughts?
do some research on what tax credits you can get for doing energy savings improvements to your home.
The overall total limit for an efficiency tax credit in one year is $3,200. This breaks down to a total limit of $1,200 for any combination of home envelope improvements (windows/doors/skylights, insulation, electrical)
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:10 am to StringedInstruments
I wouldn't remove any insulation UNLESS I was going from fiberglass/cellulose to foam. Focus on your goal here-not just on price. I personally would go from fiberglass to spray foam. I would have the attic floor done in foam and not the ceiling. Check this out: insulation. He's very good and a straight shooter.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 2:48 am to HangingWithMrCooper
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$1000 to remove whole house fan and add drywall to the hallway
Thats ridiculous. You can cut the breaker to it and disconnect it yourself. Cutting and floating a square of Sheetrock isn’t hard.
We have the same issue at our house minus the new ac system. I plan on blowing in insulation this winter myself. My neighbor agreed to go in half on the rental if I help him do his and vice versa.
Waiting to upgrade the hvac system in a few years. New windows first, insulation, and then the hvac. I should have done more of this when the LADNR was giving out 50% matching loans to do home energy upgrades. Could be used for any of those things. The program ended 12/31/23
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