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Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:26 am to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:26 am to
quote:

I plan on building a 4x8 raised bed soon and have two questions. What type of soil should I fill it with?


You can't go wrong with the square foot gardening "Mel's Mix" of:

1/3 Compost (mix of manure, mushroom, worm castings, etc)
1/3 Vermiculite
1/3 Peat Moss

That's what all three of my raised beds are filled with. That was the initial fill, and each year I mix in additional compost and peat moss/vermiculite as needed to keep the soil the same consistency.

Worked like a charm so far.

Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2789 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 10:26 am to
quote:

"Mel's Mix"


How much is that running you a yard? Seems like it would cost out the wazoo. Do you have a bulk source for those three ingredients? I have three new beds that will take around 4 yards of soil. Seems like I could hear the sucking sound coming from my wallet trying to use that mix.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 10:55 am to
Will be a lot. Just get bulk raised bed garden soil and add in a bag or two of compost.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15740 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:20 am to
Well, looks like all of my beautiful, 2' tall tomato plants have herbicide damage.

I sprayed my yard Saturday. But, I had brought all of the plants inside before spraying. I didn't put them back outside until Sunday. Immediately after spraying, I washed my clothes and took a shower. I even washed my hands several times before I even went near my plants again.

The only thing I can think caused the damage is volatilization. But would that still be an issue after a day? It's either that, or one of my neighbors sprayed herbicide on Sunday.

Next question would be, should I go ahead and replace them? Or is it possible for them to recover and produce normally? I've read multiple articles and opinions on it. The most reliable ones (LSUag) seem to imply that even if they recover, yield will likely be significantly less.

Needless to say, I'm not happy.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5834 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:25 am to
I would say that you could let them recover on their own, but

quote:

yield will likely be significantly less.


What are the plants doing? Are you sure it's herbicide damage?
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15740 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:27 am to
I didn’t really notice it until I was bringing them back inside last night because of the cold weather. But the new growth at the top of the plants look exactly like this:


I’ve seen it before and I’m pretty certain it’s herbicide damage.
Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2789 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Just get bulk raised bed garden soil and add in a bag or two of compost.
This was my plan. I can get my beds filled for less than $200.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5834 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:10 pm to
When do you guys plant to plant out your starts? I was originally planning for March 15 weekend, but I think I might put everything in the ground next weekend instead. I’m in Southeast Louisiana.
Posted by BlackCoffeeKid
Member since Mar 2016
12889 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:01 pm to
Believe I'm going to start a raised bed for herbs. (6'×2' area)

Any recommendations? Located in South LA.
As of now I think I'm going with Basil, Parsley, Garlic Chives, and Mint.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85387 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Basil, Parsley, Garlic Chives, and Mint.


don't put mint in your bed unless you want a bed full of mint

rosemary, thyme, and sage are very tolerant and easy to grow, so I always recommend them to anyone just getting started

Posted by BlackCoffeeKid
Member since Mar 2016
12889 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

don't put mint in your bed unless you want a bed full of mint

Noted
I may just use that space for more Basil then. Tempted to just turn it into a bunch of pesto.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5834 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

don't put mint in your bed unless you want a bed full of mint


x2. Put mint in its own container or it will take over the bed. I grow basil (spring/summer), parsley, green onions, rosemary, thyme, and mint. I built a 8"x12" box to hang on my fence specifically for the mint.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15740 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

I was originally planning for March 15 weekend, but I think I might put everything in the ground next weekend instead.


That was my plan as well.

But, I guess now I'll be going to Lastrapes to see what kind of tomato plants they have.

ETA: I seriously doubt we'll get another freeze. But you never know. My plan is to keep an eye on the extended forecast, and if the 10 day outlook when I look at it next weekend doesn't have any lows in the 30's, I'm going to plant.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42385 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:46 pm to
Put my tomatoes in the ground this past weekend and had a freeze last night. I put buckets over the tomatoes and they all seem fine today. I did forget to bring in my potted basil which I have kept going this winter and its looking bad. luckily I can plant a new one soon.
Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2789 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

Basil, Parsley, Garlic Chives, and Mint.


Get a couple different kinds of basil. Thai Basil is a really nice addition.

One thing on basil, trim it often to promote a nice bushy appearance with lots of leaves. Snip the flower spikes as they appear. It will prolong the season greatly and some have stated that the leaves have a bitter hint after flowering. Once it gets close to the end of the season, let it bloom and make seeds. Then you will never buy basil again. Just be sure to harvest the seed before they start to detach from the plant. One year I had basil growing in every bed, nook and cranny the next spring. I just cut a couple of seed spikes and put them in a bag for winter. I can't remember the last time I bought basil.

Curly parsley does well in the South and can take a freeze. It is usually a biennial plant that will need to be replaced every other year.

Another word of caution, ANY plant in the mint family will take over a bed. Including catnip. So will oregano.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

I seriously doubt we'll get another freeze.


I feel like this was said last year

The forecast models have us only dipping into the 40's a handful of times between now and March 11th and for the first time this winter doesn't show a phantom artic blast coming in and dropping temps into the 20's.

....soo we will probably get a good hard freeze between now and then
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15740 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 5:42 pm to


Yeah, just because I said something. I almost always used to plant mid March. Last year I planted in February because I went out of town for a few weeks and just hoped for the best. Sure enough, late February we got a freeze. But mid March I’ve never had a problem.

ETA:



So, here’s what my plants are looking like. Looks a lot worse than yesterday.

They’ll definitely have to be replaced.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
940 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:17 pm to
Sorry to post late but park seed has free shipping on seeds bought today (2/27)
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 5:58 am to
Damn I missed it.

They still have 2.99 shipping going on today.
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34711 posts
Posted on 2/29/20 at 6:18 am to
Isn't it way to early to put basil in the ground? Basil HATES the cold.

Pillage, I feel bad for ya.
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