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re: Was on Trizeptide, switched to Wegovy….
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:38 pm to Uncle JackD
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:38 pm to Uncle JackD
I know its hard for you to imagine… but there are some of us out there who used the glps as a tool ,along with diet and lifestyle, to do a 180 on their health.
There are people that use opioids as prescribed too. What’s your point?
There are people that use opioids as prescribed too. What’s your point?
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:38 pm to Uncle JackD
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but there are some of us out there who used the glps as a tool ,along with diet and lifestyle, to do a 180 on their health.
Just save your fingers the typing, I have tried to have this discussion with him before. Doesn't work.
And I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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There are people that use opioids as prescribed too. What’s your point?
What? Point is you shite on these meds every opportunity you can. Not sure why but hey whatever makes you happy. Let’s say you talk with someone who used glps along with diet and exercise religiously to lose loads of weight and completely turn their health around. Are you still 100% anti med?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:43 pm to jose
quote:Normally I would but im waiting for new tires so I’ve got time to burn.
Just save your fingers the typing
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:43 pm to Uncle JackD
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Are you still 100% anti med?
I'll just answer for him. his answer will be yes. and he will say they cheated.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:45 pm to jose
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Just save your fingers the typing, I have tried to have this discussion with him before. Doesn't work.
That’s of course true. It’s so painfully obvious that I didn’t know it needed to be discussed. Look at the overwhelming majority of the posts here or the data overall.
People are using glp only and not making lifestyle changes. This is going to be a lifelong commitment for the majority of these people. Any one with an ounce of objectivity knows that’s true. And to say it’s safe and effective for prolonged usage is straight conjecture. We have no fricking clue if that’s true or not… and that’s just side effects from the actual compound itself. That’s ignoring the lack of lifestyle changes that would bring about better metabolic and cardiovascular health, increased muscle mass, which is a huge correlate to longevity, etc.
But keep slinging this shite through a 15 minute call El Chapo
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and he will say they cheated.
I could give a frick less about this concept of “cheating.” If you actually make the lifestyle changes while using glp, you could make those same changes without it. That’s an absolute fact. I’m thrilled for those people on an individual level, but I can separate individual success from the overall understanding about how these compounds are being used.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:50 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This is going to be a lifelong commitment for the majority of these people.
Isn’t any long term health improvement plan?
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And to say it’s safe and effective for prolonged usage is straight conjecture. We have no fricking clue if that’s true or not…
We have some clue. It seems like the good far outweighs the bad.
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That’s ignoring the lack of lifestyle changes that would bring about better metabolic and cardiovascular health, increased muscle mass, which is a huge correlate to longevity, etc.
Agreed. If you lose weight you have to also keep it off. You have to work or it will likely come back.
So why are you so against people trying to lose weight with a glp1? If they lose it that way or just counting calories, they’ll have to work to keep it off. What’s so different?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:53 pm to Randall Savauge
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Isn’t any long term health improvement plan?
Eating better isn’t hormone therapy
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If they lose it that way or just counting calories, they’ll have to work to keep it off.
That’s the wrong way to frame the question, which is why fat people stay fat
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What’s so different?
What’s different is pretty fricking clear if you don’t have an insane amount of cognitive dissonance
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
So the options are:
Stay fat
Lose weight w/glp1
Lose weight w/o glp1
………
Stay fat, I assume we all are against that.
Lose w/glp1: some may keep it off, some may gain it back. If one person keeps it off, neg positive.
Lose w/o glp1: some may keep it off, some may not. If one person keeps it off, net positive.
What’s the problem again?
Stay fat
Lose weight w/glp1
Lose weight w/o glp1
………
Stay fat, I assume we all are against that.
Lose w/glp1: some may keep it off, some may gain it back. If one person keeps it off, neg positive.
Lose w/o glp1: some may keep it off, some may not. If one person keeps it off, net positive.
What’s the problem again?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:02 pm to Randall Savauge
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Lose w/glp1: some may keep it off, some may gain it back. If one person keeps it off, neg positive.
We don’t know that this is true, unless they could have also lost weight using method 2
Which is the entire point
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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We don’t know that this is true, unless they could have also lost weight using method 2
What if they could but wouldn’t have? They would have stayed in the “stay fat” category. That’s no good for sure.
It seems like if people were dropping like flies from this stuff, theyre woild be more news on it. Yes, there are some obscure and rare side effects, usually exacerbated by people not using them correctly. But other than that, the overwhelming majority see none and are proceeding with their life. You want to be a boogie man and talk about the bad stuff, but it’s just not there on the whole.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:17 pm to Randall Savauge
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It seems like if people were dropping like flies from this stuff, theyre woild be more news on it.
Of course there would. What’s your point?
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You want to be a boogie man and talk about the bad stuff, but it’s just not there on the whole.
You don’t know that.
There are a couple of indisputable truths.
A VERY small percentage of people need these to lose weight.
There is uncertainty into the long term affects of staying on these compounds for prolonged periods
Anytime you introduce pharmaceuticals like this, you raise the costs of healthcare to everyone. And the affliction this is “treating” is not only completely avoidable, but also reversible without any intervention.
The argument that overall healthcare costs is what you’ll bring up next. I’ve seen no reliable, measurable data that indicates this is the case. And that’s without factoring in any possible long term unknown consequences.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:29 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Anytime you introduce pharmaceuticals like this, you raise the costs of healthcare to everyone. And the affliction this is “treating” is not only completely avoidable, but also reversible without any intervention.
The argument that overall healthcare costs is what you’ll bring up next. I’ve seen no reliable, measurable data that indicates this is the case. And that’s without factoring in any possible long term unknown consequences.
Correct. That is the overall goal of any weight loss plan. GLP-1 or otherwise. Weight loss helps everything, as I know you know this already. Weight loss can and will decrease other healthcare dollars. Lower BP thus less antihypertensives, improvement in osteoarthritis symptoms, improved cholesterol levels, the list goes on.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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A VERY small percentage of people need these to lose weight.
You’re absolutely right. But if someone who wouldn’t have lost weight because they're “lazy” loses weight with the help of a glp1, how is that an actual bad thing? Not a potential bad thing long term, but an actual bad thing? We know for certain if they didn’t lose weight, there woild be bad things.
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There is uncertainty into the long term affects of staying on these compounds for prolonged periods
Again, maybe, maybe not. These things have existed for a long time. Calling them different names or saying their use is for x or y, doesn’t change what they do. So I ask again where are the long term problems you boogie man about?
You’re trying to be too much in a “perfect world”. We don’t live in a perfect world. Humans are imperfect. We should encourage people to do the best they can while also not putting them down for doing someting you don’t fully agree with.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:33 pm to jose
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Weight loss can and will decrease other healthcare dollars.
If I give you a pharmaceutical that decreases your weight but eventually gives you cancer, do healthcare costs go down?
I’m not saying that is definitely going to happen, it’s just an example of how it’s not that simple.
Opioids may have decreased healthcare costs as they reduced the need for more care, but they increased mental health and addiction costs bigly.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:34 pm to Randall Savauge
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We should encourage people to do the best they can
We’re not doing that. In fact, we’re doing the exact opposite of that
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:51 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Way to cut my sentence off in the middle of it. Just a reflection of how disingenuous you are.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If I give you a pharmaceutical that decreases your weight but eventually gives you cancer, do healthcare costs go down?
Does GLP-1s give you cancer? I have not heard of this research.
Are we making things up now?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:58 pm to jose
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Does GLP-1s give you cancer?
We’re not sure yet.
And as I said, it was an example
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:15 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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We’re not sure yet.
And as I said, it was an example
counting calories gives you aids and also causes you to kick puppies.
i have no data to back this up, i'm just saying this is an example of what counting calories could make you do. we haven't confirmed that it doesn't do these things.
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