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Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:31 am to
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I think there is some lost in translation going on. 777 is just saying running 3+ miles a day is not ideal for body composition. You will lose fat and a little muscle. It's not much, but it's not ideal for preservation of muscle. There is nothing wrong with it if you like to do it. You have to think that your body wants to be the most efficient it can be at a given task. To lift weights with more volume attached, your body needs bigger tanks (muscles). To lift heavier weight, your body wants condensed muscle. To run far, you need to weigh less.


Well that's what crossfit or metabolic conditioning is for.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:45 am to
Right. CrossFit is a general fitness program.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:53 am to
Also the OP needs to understand being ripped is not a good indicator of fitness

It looks nice but just looking strong isn't shite

need to be both look and be strong
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:07 am to
Fwiw, I'm not saying running 3 miles will make you look like a marathoner any more than high intensity intervals will make you look like Michael Johnson.

The body types are the extreme examples of what shorter interval training and distance training will drive you towards in body composition. Both will help you cut fat, but higher intensity helps you build and maintain more muscle alongside.

For the question about looking ripped, higher intensity intervals are a more effective way of getting to the goal.

A study on incorporating intervals and corresponding increase in muscle:

LINK
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37904 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Also the OP needs to understand being ripped is not a good indicator of fitness

It looks nice but just looking strong isn't shite


i get all that. but for many, they care about aesthetics and thats what he asked for.

your talking 100% about general fitness, thats not what the OP asked for.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4967 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:23 pm to
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i get all that. but for many, they care about aesthetics and thats what he asked for.

your talking 100% about general fitness, thats not what the OP asked for.


Aesthetics is also purely individual. What looks good to me might be different than looks good to you, or the OP, etc. It sounds like a strict bodybuilders physique is what looks good to you (definitely nothing wrong with that). I think when most guys think aesthetics though, they'd like to build some good muscle and have a little six pack for the summer. Not quite so intense.

Based on the measurements we know, the dude needs to lose some fat first and foremost. So diet is going to be key, but if he's killing it in the weight room, a little running isn't going to really hurt anything if that's what he likes to do. Maybe he likes to do sprints better, idk. Just saying he's not going to be losing any noticeable amount of muscle by jogging 6 miles a week.
Posted by Nobelium
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 2:06 pm to
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Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 2:21 pm to
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What kind of cardio would you recommend then


HIIT training. I prefer Crossfit because I know it works if you are at a good box. But other HIIT training (bootcamp, Beach Body, P90X, etc.) can do the trick if your eating is in check.

Remember the old statement...... "you can't outrun a shitty diet". I didn't really see results in my body composition until I started adjust what I ate.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4967 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 3:11 pm to
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What kind of cardio would you recommend then?


I would say, honestly, you don't have to do any cardio if you don't want. But if you like to jog, jog. If you like to sprint, sprint. If you like to play basketball, play basketball, etc, etc.

The most important thing is losing fat (thru your diet), and lifting. Unless you truly are wanting a body builders physique, there I can't really help. But it doesn't really feel like that's exactly what you're wanting. Only you really know.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:08 pm to
A major concern of CrossFit is it will rip your joints to shreds once you get tired or if you lack mobility.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:11 pm to
yea doing crossfit with out proper mobility work and recovery will destroy you
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:36 pm to
anyone have some good HIIT workouts? Looking to shake mine up
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37904 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:59 pm to
He has 178 lbs of muscle and that's if his bf estimate is on. In way shape or form is he gonna have a Bodybuilding physique you keep talking about. At only 178 lbs of muscle and needing to lose a minimum of 55 lbs and prolly over 60 to have a 6 pack.

Granted he is new,but being in the deficit for as long as it's going to take to lose that weight, do you believe he is going to build much muscle? Because he isn't. So Bodybuilding physique isn't what we are discussing here. We are discussing holding onto as much muscle as possible because 178 lbs of muscle on 6'6 isnt much.

To not look rail thin he needs to hold on and even gain a little muscle while getting down below 12%.



Nobody said he couldn't run, but running 2-3 miles three or four times a week is not conducive to building or maintaining muscle. If he likes doing that fine, I already said that but it's not the best way. I laid out the best way above. Fasted walks and 2-3 hard conditioning sessions per week.

And your right Aesthetics is an opinion if muscle mass is too much. In this case it's not. It's also not debatable he has to lose a shite ton of fat. What you are talking about is below 12%. The more muse he loses in the process, the more weight he has to lose and sorry 180 even 190 is pretty damn thin at 6'6.



Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37386 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:22 pm to
lsu777, question for you.

I’ve currently been doing kickboxing/muay thai classes 3 days a week (Mon/Weds/Sat 45 minutes per class). It’s high intensity intervals and I’ve lost a decent amount of weight doing it. But I want to add weight lifting on to it.

I checked out the Kinonody Greek God program you posted on Page 1, is there a way to do that program AND continue my boxing classes at the same time or no?
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 6:23 pm
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:28 pm to
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A major concern of CrossFit is it will rip your joints to shreds once you get tired or if you lack mobility.


any type of HIIT training or lifting without proper form or coaching is harmful to you. I have been in all types of gyms where people are doing the most idiotic things to themselves.

If you join a CrossFit box you should take some intro classes and check out the coaches.

People get injured bending over to pick up the paper. Be smart and ask lots of questions before you jump right in.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:22 pm to
Dude come on. That’s stupid. Most CrossFit coaching certification is a joke.

Not to mention, Olympic lifts were built for speed and power. Not for endurance lifting. They are very technical multi joint movements.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37904 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:45 pm to
I would stick to a basic greyskull template as Greek god would be too much volume more than likely.

A simple template of

Week 1
Day 1
Press
Squat
Weighted Chins


Day 2
Bench
Deads
Close Grip pushups

Day 3
Press
Squat
Weighted chins


Week 2

Day1
Bench
Squat
Close Grip bench

Day 2
Press
Deads
Weighted chins

Day 3
Bench
Squat
Close Grip bench

Close Grip bench is optional.

With as much volume you are doing I would do two sets for each, 1 set of 5, one of 5+ except deadlifts just do one set of those.

Keep the volume low, bust your arse and add weight or reps every session. Read the greyskull thread for more info.
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:34 pm to
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GeorgeTheGreek


So you have been through the Crossfit Certification? Or are you a certified Oly Trainer?

Every box is different and while there are some horrible boxes, there are just as many who do it the right way. When you make negative comments and group an entire population into that category, it's just ignorant.

I will tell you that not only are our coaches Crossfit certified on multiple levels in C.F. principals we even have Oly Lifting Certified coaches as well as mobility and gymnastics clinics.

While it's not perfect, it's the best program I have been around in 25 years of lifting/training. It's so good the local high schools use us to design, develop, and oversee their off season program for all their sports.

I have seen so called personal trainers instructing their clients in ways that was surely going to cause injury. So there are frauds every where, so how about u give equal criticism or warnings. Unless u have an agenda
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

Every box is different and while there are some horrible boxes, there are just as many who do it the right way. When you make negative comments and group an entire population into that category, it's just ignorant.



Let me know when you can come up with a good reason to do 55 deadlifts for time. I just saw that in a workout in the CrossFit thread on this board. You want to talk about asking for an injury.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:54 pm to
What do you guys do for rehab, injury prevention and nutrition?
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