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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:05 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:05 pm to
I like many aspects of CrossFit but sorry dude complex lifts for time and conditioning sessions longer than 15-20 min max is stupid. Bounding box jumps are stupid. For 95% of the population kipping pullups are stupid especially if you can't even do five strict pullups.

Kipping muscle ups are stupid also, kipping rings dips is retarded. Could go on and on. It's not the exercises it's the programming but for 95% of the population snatches other than. Muscle snathes is stupid.

And this is coming from someone that really likes CrossFit and loved the original principles of lift heavy shite and do hardcore conditioning. I think CrossFit has done a shite ton of good for the fitness and weightlifting in general but dude the programming is shite for most part.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:06 pm to
No shite. And to push it as sports performance is equally as stupid.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37904 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:17 pm to
There are some good guys that program out there for cf though. Rudy over at outlaw has a bad arse program and there are a few others but they are few and far between.

Btw anyone looking to improve in CrossFit here is a pro tip......get strong as frick while keeping conditioning to 2 15 min sessions a week and do skill practice.

If you wanna just get in shape using cf principles

3-4 days a week

Spend 15-20 min doing 2 strength lifts.
Spend 5-8 min working one Olympic lift
Spend 10-12 min doing a circuit or non retarded wod
Spend 15-20 min working bodyweight specific or gymnastic drills.
Posted by PennyPacker
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

What do you guys do for rehab, injury prevention and nutrition


Rehab: requires more than trainers or coaching so we will put in a specific program based on what tbdd PT or their doctor recommends.

Injury prevention: it's a laundry list from proper technique, to mobility segments, to programming in order to limit frequency, volume, and load in order to minimize injury.

Nutrition: that is a whole different animal. Usually start simple with small changes and continue on a progression. Most people don't stick when immediate dramatic changes are implemented.

But things are constantly evolving. Everybody is different so you have to evolve to serve your people correctly.

So what's your expertise in training, nutrition, rehab, and injury prevention?
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
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5322 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:45 pm to
Eat keto and join the Ketogains forum on Facebook
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:51 pm to
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So what's your expertise in training, nutrition, rehab, and injury prevention?


8 years in high level division one athletics surrounded by some of the best sports perfomance coaches in the country. Coached national team players and in a national championship game.

I know what sports performance looks like.

CrossFit may be great for capacity and increasing workload, but it’s terrible for sports perfomance so don’t try to pass it off as such.
Posted by PennyPacker
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

There are some good guys that program out there for cf though. Rudy over at outlaw has a bad arse program and there are a few others but they are few and far between.

Btw anyone looking to improve in CrossFit here is a pro tip......get strong as frick while keeping conditioning to 2 15 min sessions a week and do skill practice.

If you wanna just get in shape using cf principles

3-4 days a week

Spend 15-20 min doing 2 strength lifts.
Spend 5-8 min working one Olympic lift
Spend 10-12 min doing a circuit or non retarded wod
Spend 15-20 min working bodyweight specific or gymnastic drills.


The problem with your post is 75% of the people have no idea what you mean or if they can educate themselves to understand what your saying then they have no clue how to do the movements much less how to do it correctly. So they need someone to train/coach them. So do they goto a personal trainer who may or may not know how to coach Oly Lifts? Go to an Oly Coach who probably doesn't know too much about endurance principals. Almost forgot about the gymnastics movements or nutrition which is the most important part. For the avg person it's overwhelming.

But I do hear what you are saying and don't necessarily disagree with everything you said.

Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:04 pm to
Jorge my legs are dead this week. Overtraining ?
Posted by PennyPacker
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Member since Jan 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:15 pm to
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 but it’s terrible for sports perfomance so don’t try to pass it off as such


There you go jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I never said we put high school athletes in CrossFit as their sports performance. We were actually a sports performance gym before we brought in C.F. I said we have such a good program we oversee the off season sports performance programs. This was to make a point not all boxes are equal. Our box owner played division 1 ball in the old Southwest Conference so not only has seen high level sports performance he has coached/trained it for 20 years. But I can tell you are set in your ideas and I am not changing that. Good luck
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37904 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:21 pm to
Oh I agree with what you said, my advice was more to actual owners of cf. Scene many that can't squat 300, do 5 strict dead hang chins but they are out coaching, sorry that bullshite.

Cf was the shite when it started and had quality stacked upon quality coaches, that ended almost 10 years ago though.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:19 pm to
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complex lifts for time


This is my biggest beef with crossfit. Complex, multijoint lifts already take a lot of skill. Add in high reps, and that's a recipe for degraded form.

So you're taking the movements that let you move the heaviest weights, then putting the person in a position most likely to compromise form. You had better be teaching form perfectly and have a highly motivated person to cue every single lift or it's a recipe for injury.

Complex, multijoint lifts are simultaneously the best tool for strength and muscle building and the movements with the highest risk of injury.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:38 pm to
Dude, you just told some guy that’s never lifted to jump into CrossFit.

That’s all I need to know about you.

Can’t wait to see him AMRAP a hang clean.
Posted by PennyPacker
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Member since Jan 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:33 am to
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Dude, you just told some guy that’s never lifted to jump into CrossFit


Once again you are saying shite I didn't say. I said HI IT training for cardio and gave examples a few, then said I prefer CrossFit.

The fact that you constantly make up shite says all I need to know about you. You must be working in the mainstream media now....you got their technique down.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:22 am to
quote:

said HI IT training for cardio and gave examples


quote:

Add 4 to 6 days of some exercise...preferably high intensity training like crossfit.


That's exactly what you said. No where did you "give a few examples." you gave one recommendation, crossfit.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:26 am to
I’m starting to do 1.25 run every morning while fasted at the park. Then I’ll do a couple rounds dips/muscle ups or whatever on the bars.

Then Ill do the wods at 5:30-6:30


I know it’s not some HIIT but it’s better than nothing at least to get me going on the morning
Posted by PennyPacker
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:36 am to
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HIIT training. I prefer Crossfit because I know it works if you are at a good box. But other HIIT training (bootcamp, Beach Body, P90X, etc.) can do the trick if your eating is in check


This was my post, but nice try
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:10 am to
Yeah that doesn’t sound like recommending CrossFit at all...
Posted by PennyPacker
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Member since Jan 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:56 am to

See George, you are a hater with an Agenda. You come in and take one piece of a post and try to twist it and spin it. I could've done the same with your "recommendation"

"Lift heavy
Sprinting
Fasted cardio
Diet"

If I used your tactics I would rip your arse for telling someone who doesn't know anything about lifting (your words) to lift heavy, this can lead to ALL kinds of issues from torn ligaments to back issues. Or what about sprinting, more potential issues when someone is not warmed up properly or stretched out properly George. So many stories I could tell about pulled hamstrings, ruptured discs, etc. from what you recommended but I am not here to hate on your thoughts or "recommendation", you have a right to express them without some jackass trying to uncover every potential issue. I was just offering SOME options and stated the one I preferred.

I thought about ignoring you to be honest but you are just a message board bully and I really hate f'ing bullies so you can kiss my arse! Keep on altering facts and spinning your message. People that can think for themselves see what you are.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69095 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:01 am to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:14 am to
quote:

I thought about ignoring you to be honest


You should have because you're reaching hard and making yourself look like a butt hurt idiot.
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