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bnb9433
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How do the Clifton 6 compare to Nike Pegasus ? Usually run in Pegasus but need a little more cushion


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Which Pegasus - 35, 36, or 37?

I’d imagine the Clifton will be softer vs most Pegasus models.


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Returned the Bondis today, and bought the Clifton 7s. They seem to fit slightly snugger so I’m hoping there will be less rubbing. I have never blistered before, but every run with the Bondis seemed to get worse


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After about 200 miles, I’d say my Skechers Speed Elites have been properly broke in enough (if not disintegrating) to review them.

First off, other than the absolutely ridiculous “speed elite” stamped on the outer side of the shoe, this is a very handsome design. It’s sleek, it’s kind of shiny and the color scheme is attention grabbing without being too wild. The carbon plate is visible, which makes the Speed Elite almost aggressive looking, which is kind-of-cool.

First impressions on the ride of this shoe is that your transition through the stride is natural; almost rolling. The shoe feels very smooth (as a mid-rear foot striker), and it felt very quick... that is, until I checked my watch. I was actually moving about 30 seconds per mile slower than the shoe made me feel like I was moving. This is the opposite of what you want in a racer. I think a lot of this has to do with the carbon plate.

The carbon plate: The big delay on this shoe was the fragility of the half length “winglet” carbon infused plate. The plate itself starts about halfway through the arch and ends about an inch shy of the end of the toe. There are two very specific issues with the design of this plate. The first is that without extending to the length of the toe, you do not get the efficiency savings that you would find in other plated shoes. The reason for that is the energy savings from the rigidity of the plate is on the toe off. No plate on the toes = no savings. Secondly, because of the shape of the plate there is a rolling motion that you almost have to overcome through your stride progression. It’s like with each step you have to climb a mini hill on your heel/midfoot to toe transition. This is why I think the shoe feels deceptively fast, but isn’t.

Hyper burst is a decent midsole compound, but the energy return is suspect. I’m curious how it tested in the lab. Hyper burst tends to fully compress after about 3 miles and firms up the ride for the rest of the duration of the run. If your feet aren’t already rugged, this shoe would get pretty uncomfortable quickly. I do think that without direct exposure to the pavement, there is potential for longevity in this midsole material.

The only way to describe the tongue on the Speed Elite is consistently defiant. The fit of this shoe runs a little small. This is disappointing because the Speed Elite does not run in half sizes. The toe box is narrow, but you can’t really take points off for that in a “racing shoe”. Of course this is a super light shoe, which is its biggest triumph. If it weren’t for the plate, you might not notice you were wearing it.

Durability. Hmmm. All of Skechers’ running shoes have durability issues. The Speed Elite will show extreme wear immediately. The “Goodyear” tread on this racer is almost pointless as it is on basically all of Skechers’ shoes. Here’s the thing, and I’ve said this before... If Skechers were still 2/3rds of the cost of a normal running shoe (like they used to be), they’d be worth it. This is a 190 dollar shoe. All of Skechers shoes still have durability issues, but now they’re full price. I don’t recommend anyone buy Skechers unless they can get them at a discount, but that’s especially true for this shoe (Speed Elite).

Final verdict: Pass.

This shoe doesn’t have a niche. It’s more of a Frankenstein’s monster of leftover Skechers parts. This “racer” is the result of style over function (like a lot of Nike’s offerings and basically all of adidas now) and really doesn’t have a place in anyone’s quiver.

Speaking of Nike, the release of the Tempo Next% makes the Speed Elite obsolete, and it’s going to be only 10 dollars more for a shoe that will last twice as long.



I wanted to edit that I do think that Skechers constantly gets what I call the “Skechers bump”. This essentially means that it gets a high rating because Skechers has had such a poor reputation for such a long time, that they can make an absolutely mediocre product and everyone goes ape shite over it because it doesn’t completely suck. This is occurring with ASICS now too. I’ve fallen for it on both companies.
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jordan21210
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The the SpeedElite got pretty universally panned as a “meh”. It’s been surpassed within its own lineup. At least Skechers are listening to consumers, the latest “plus” series is dialing back the ugly graphics and revising the uppers to a nicer mesh or knit. Also a rumor that offerings like the Razor are about to get a carbon plate, which is actually intriguing.

Outside of the Vaporfly and AlphaFly, Nike almost seem to have lost their way a bit. I personally didn’t care for the Infinity React. The Pegasus 37 seems like a love it or hate it shoe. The React Miler is too heavy and ugly. The Tempo Next% is getting annihilated in reviews for being heavy, loud, and uncomfortable at every pace except tempo or faster.

While Adidas hasn’t offered much interesting in a while, the Adizero Adios Pro is interesting and their new upper material “cellarmesh” is legit. If they can find a good midsole material they could do good things. Boost has run its course.

Another aside, Atreyu’s marathon shoe is supposed to be ready for Q1 2021. They ditched the nylon plate and are going with carbon instead. Also saying it won’t be a pebax branded foam, but basically pebax. Upper is identical to their current shoe and price will be $100 for everyone even without subscription. Not a shoe I’d buy bc I’m not a marathon runner, but seems promising for anyone who is.


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Another aside, Atreyu’s marathon shoe is supposed to be ready for Q1 2021.


I've been seeing runners on YT getting this shoe and I'm anxious to try it out. A shoe that's as light as the Next% and for $100, sign me up to at least try it out.

On a side note, I may have been converted to Saucony. I've really enjoyed the Endorphine Speed for tempo and speed days. My parents surprised me and bought me the Endorphine Pro for my birthday (thanks to the advice of my wife). I'm anxious to try it out and compare to my Next %.

Now if I can convince my wife's parents to buy me the RC Elite, I'll be set for race day shoes for at least 6 months.


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The the SpeedElite got pretty universally panned as a “meh”.


Really? All the “professional” reviews I’ve seen on this thing have been off the charts. That was the whole reason I bought them. You’ve probably been paying more attention to the people that actually bought the damn things. I pretty much got em when they came out. Won’t ever be an early adapter of Skechers again.


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I mean no one said they were bad, so I guess meh isn’t the right description. Reviews I’ve read/watched said they’re great shoes, just not entirely sure where to slot them in a rotation. They’re elite marathon shoe price, however the trend is toward high stack/high cushion. So the Speed Elite tends to slot in as more of a workout shoe or short distance racer. Think there were some sizing issues too.


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jordan21210
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I've been seeing runners on YT getting this shoe and I'm anxious to try it out. A shoe that's as light as the Next% and for $100, sign me up to at least try it out.


Yeah, they’ve got an opportunity to do something really cool with these. Carbon plated, pebax foam, under 7oz, for $100 is just insane given the current carbon plated shoe wars.

I also saw On is essentially copying their subscription model with a fully recyclable shoe for $30/month.

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On a side note, I may have been converted to Saucony. I've really enjoyed the Endorphine Speed for tempo and speed days. My parents surprised me and bought me the Endorphine Pro for my birthday (thanks to the advice of my wife). I'm anxious to try it out and compare to my Next %

I really want a pair of the black and gold Endorphin Speed just can’t justify it with only 50 miles on my Zoom Fly FK and I don’t like to train in plated shoes except for a workout here and there.

Awesome about the pro, be sure to post your thoughts here once you get some miles on em.


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yeah the tempo next %' are getting dragged. it's brutal.

hearing nothing but good things on the saucony endorphine line.

i'll still with hoka for the bulk of my training runs, nike for racing.


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I really want a pair of the black and gold Endorphin Speed just can’t justify it with only 50 miles on my Zoom Fly FK and I don’t like to train in plated shoes except for a workout here and there.


I just got these from roadrunner, as I have a membership and took advantage of Labor Day special. They were about $155 shipped, including Cali tax. I also received $30 or so in RR rewards.

The shoes live up to the hype. Some YT reviewers used the word “trampoline”, and I agree. I love them. I was debating buying the pro as well, but many reviewers say the speed is better, and more suited for non elite runners. Jackrabbit had my size in the white/mutant speed available, so I bought a second pair- $155 shipped plus like $40 in jackrabbit rewards back.


kballa6
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I love my Speed’s. I enjoy them much more than my ZFFK and those were my favorite every day trainers for almost 2 years. I even prefer them over my ZF3. Going to test out the Pro’s next week and report back.


ks_nola
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I think the ZF3 is subpar and I still love the original zoom fly. ZF3 much like the ZFFK (didn't like) have the "sock" liner and don't lock down when lacing. also rather squishy and lack luster in response feel. ZF3 is missing the upper heel collar that the next% has that helps with lock down.

think the endorphin speed will be the next one I try out. Ran the in ride before they tried out the iso fit system and thought they were good for everyday trainer.


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BurtReynoldsMustache
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Yeah, they’ve got an opportunity to do something really cool with these. Carbon plated, pebax foam, under 7oz, for $100 is just insane given the current carbon plated shoe wars


So I was all in on this and went to the page to pre order. Looks like they want you to pay upfront (non-refundable) and will only make it if they have 5000 orders by October the 7th. Currently they are at 18 percent of that. No dice.

That’s too bad. I really want this shoe, but I’m not willing to lose a 100 bucks on it with no collateral.

Pre-Sale


jordan21210
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Yeah they do a Tesla/Musk style order process which sucks but I guess also allows them the cash flow to stay operable in the meantime. I’d imagine by Q2 2021 they’ll have enough supply to order direct instead of presale. Guess we’ll see.


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So I was all in on this and went to the page to pre order. Looks like they want you to pay upfront (non-refundable) and will only make it if they have 5000 orders by October the 7th. Currently they are at 18 percent of that. No dice.

That’s too bad. I really want this shoe, but I’m not willing to lose a 100 bucks on it with no collateral.


Plus $9 two-day shipping, plus tax, no size exchanges. I guess it's high risk, high reward.


1999
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yeah i'll see how close they are in a week.


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jordan21210
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Plus $9 two-day shipping, plus tax, no size exchanges. I guess it's high risk, high reward.

I think their position is that it’s relatively low risk high reward bc the closest alternative will cost you at least $200 + tax and possibly shipping.

The risk though is there are very few reviews. Atreyu seeded this new shoe to some YouTube reviewers but with the caveat that it’s a pre-production sample and the final product will have a different slightly firmer foam. Initial reports are it’s a good shoe, but the samples are too soft.


BurtReynoldsMustache
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The risk is that you get no shoes. It’d be different if they’re like “we’ll send you a pair of our other model if this doesn’t work”. Nobody wants to be arse out 100 bucks for a small chance that they might save 100 on a pair of racing shoes.

There is no guarantee of a refund if they don’t ship. The terms and conditions page is broke as well.


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