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re: Pen and Paper Strength App

Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:19 am to
Posted by EyeOfTheFeTiger
Member since Apr 2021
468 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:19 am to
I’m two workouts in to Stacked Jacked and you were not kidding. Definitely a step up in volume from the Pool Seasons. Progress will be made and sets up nicely with my mostly dry August, having to crush some food/protein and sleep for recovery purposes. Thanks to this thread and to Aaron, fun programming (in a sick way)
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44930 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 11:18 am to
I'm pumped up to get started. One more question. I've never actually determined my one rep max on any lift. I have what my strong app tells me based on what I've been lifting but for this should I actually give it a go? I hate asking someone to spot me but I can suck it up if I need to.
Posted by EyeOfTheFeTiger
Member since Apr 2021
468 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 11:35 am to
I typically work off a 90% training max and I’d definitely recommend doing that for this program
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

I'm pumped up to get started. One more question. I've never actually determined my one rep max on any lift. I have what my strong app tells me based on what I've been lifting but for this should I actually give it a go? I hate asking someone to spot me but I can suck it up if I need to.



i would do an estimated 1 rm and then do 90% of that as your training max and use that as your number to base you % in the program on.

example

squat- 265 x 5 was what you did last

estimated 1rm=298, round up to 300

300*.9= 270 as ypour training max


could even do down to 80% if you wanted. Wendler usually says do 85% in his latest book.

key is you never want a rep to be a struggle on the big lifts, clean and fast reps only.

next month you would add 10lbs to your deadlift & squat, 5lbs to bench/press and then take 90% of the new number. so on and so fourth.


Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44930 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:02 pm to
I like it. Thanks.
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
11656 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:17 pm to
Like posted earlier, Aaron recommends 90%. I do closer to 100% though and it seems to work for me but I've never truly maxed out in years. I do one rep max calculators based on a AMRAP set. Especially for bench, I like lifting closer to my real max. For squat and DL, I will go lower.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:44 pm to
Looking ahead to Let's Pregame, I see that sumo DL is there. Are we to take those percentages as %'s of our regular DL max? I'm not certain I'll be able to do that much since my sumo sucks.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

Looking ahead to Let's Pregame, I see that sumo DL is there. Are we to take those percentages as %'s of our regular DL max? I'm not certain I'll be able to do that much since my sumo sucks.


then reduce max by 10% then use 90% of that for your TM.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36157 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:47 am to
Looking forward to Elbow Meat since I am losing a lot of grip strength by the end of my workouts.
Posted by Trailer Trash
Livingston Parish
Member since Feb 2006
591 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:33 am to
So much for Arm Farm being an easier. Volume has greatly increased in week two. Got trashed by this mornings workout. "Hard makes you strong"
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:53 am to
Is there a substitute for slow chins? They are destroying my elbow. It’s probably a flexibility issue. Would lat pulldowns be a viable alternative?
Posted by Trailer Trash
Livingston Parish
Member since Feb 2006
591 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:19 am to
Lat pull downs with reverse grip to incorporate the biceps would still hit lats. I sometimes use TRX Bands to do pullups or Chin ups when my shoulder is messed up.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:44 am to
quote:

Is there a substitute for slow chins? They are destroying my elbow. It’s probably a flexibility issue. Would lat pulldowns be a viable alternative?



yes but why would one vertical pull be better than a different if its the same grip?

catch my drift

but try it with a neutral grip on lat pulldowns and see. if its ok we can go from there

but also lets look at what the actual issue is and see if we can cure the disease and not just a symptom.

what do you mean when you say killing your elbow?
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:43 am to
quote:

what do you mean when you say killing your elbow?

I’ve dealt with tendinitis in my left elbow before, but this came quickly and more of a stabbing pain, in the same area. The only exercise that causes pain is the slow chins. Even now, extending my arm and rotating into the chin position causes a lot of pain.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:51 am to
quote:

but also lets look at what the actual issue is and see if we can cure the disease and not just a symptom.

what do you mean when you say killing your elbow?



Legless rope climbs make my elbow hurt for like 4 days and right after I do them I can barely drive home my elbow hurts so damn bad.

Only thing that messes with it to the point I don't do them anymore
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:25 am to
quote:

I’ve dealt with tendinitis in my left elbow before, but this came quickly and more of a stabbing pain, in the same area. The only exercise that causes pain is the slow chins. Even now, extending my arm and rotating into the chin position causes a lot of pain.


ok sounds like a mobility thing like you said. Does it hurt if you do neutral grip or use something like rings where you have free range?

and for tendinitis....work on strengthening the muscles on the back side of the forearm. rice bucket works very well for this as do the extensor products on amazon
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Legless rope climbs make my elbow hurt for like 4 days and right after I do them I can barely drive home my elbow hurts so damn bad.

Only thing that messes with it to the point I don't do them anymore




prolly a grip thing then where your extensors strength is not in balance with your flexor strength.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Does it hurt if you do neutral grip or use something like rings where you have free range?

Neutral grip is no issue. Thanks for the help
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
11656 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 1:56 pm to
Has anyone done both Arm Farm and Elbow Meat? Is there a big difference in the two other than days per week?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

prolly a grip thing then where your extensors strength is not in balance with your flexor strength.


How would you suggest working on that? I can do chinups, any kind of pulling with no pain but those rip me to shreds.

And they're the number one pulling exercise, imo
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