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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:36 pm to
5 easy this AM on the treadmill. Had my annual dexa scan and VO2 test done. First time with a legit lactate test. Little disconcerting running flat out on a treadmill while some chick pricks your finger for blood. Interesting to get those results.
Posted by jordan21210
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:53 pm to
When do you get results and why the annual dexa?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:17 pm to
Just part of my yearly maintenance plan. I should get the results today.
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:38 pm to
Aubie
if you VO2 isn't 80+ I'm rioting and promoting full boycott of Zone 2!

Jordan
go for 4 and see what happens.....do it

Baddest
you're all over the place with goals, plans, and advice. maybe you should try some of jordans gummies
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:52 pm to
Doubt I’ll get 80. Love to get high 50’s or low 60’s.
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by Walter White Jr
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 5:14 pm to
2022: VO2 was 52
2023: VO2 was 54
2024: VO2 was 56

Trending up. MET score was 16.1.

The biggest change from all the zone 2 training is that I’m burning more fat in that HR zone of 136-148.

2022: Max Fat was 1.1
2023: Max Fat was 1.0
2024: Max Fat was 1.3

Don’t have the lactate results yet. Will schedule a consultation with the same group to get a training plan to move forward.

Start the Grasshopper PPSA plan next week. Goal is to be the fittest MFer at the old folks home.


ETA: Lactate and fat burn graphed on heart rate. Sweet spot appears to be between about HR 125-140. High zone 2, low zone 3.

This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 8:06 pm
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:29 pm to
I'm sure I've asked before, but where do you get your lactate and vo2 max tested? I'd like to get it done maybe next year after my half and the Crescent City Classic
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:50 pm to
Fitomics here in Bham, but just about any university or specialty fitness place can do it.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

ks_nola


I don't care about the 100 miler anymore, it's super unfortunately being only 4 weeks out, but it is what it is.

I'll still go do it, but the biggest thing this training cycle has taught me is I don't like ultra training, just not something I enjoy. I have also learned I still have some things to learn about endurance going forward. I'm stoked about what 2025 will bring, I think I'm going to shoot for a sub-3hr marathon
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 10:09 am to
15 miles this AM. Watched the run group pull away as I zone 2’d it again.

6 miles @ 12:00/mile.
6 miles @ 10:00/mile.
2 miles @ 9:00/mile.
1 mile @ 7:35/mile.


Felt good. New Xero HFS2s are breaking in. There’s less ground feel on this shoe and is great for long runs.
This post was edited on 10/12/24 at 10:10 am
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 11:14 am to
Nice long run. When you going to start running that pace/ distance in reverse?

Regarding your vo2 results. It increased 2 pts each yeat. I don’t think the scale is linear so what does a 2 pt increase mean? How long did you do zone 2 specific and is this the increase normal, advanced or lower than what should be expected.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:16 pm to
It’s my experience that once I blow my HR out over 160, that it’s near impossible to get it back down for low intensity work. That progression run is my absolute favorite workout. It just feels good to me.

Zone 2 is still 80/20 for all my mileage. Supposed to have a follow up consultation. I’ll ask about the increase. I’m not sure what is normal for that level and my age. I’m already in the top 97.7 percentile for my age group, so dramatic increases seems unreasonable. I’d love to get it in the 60’s while I can. Not sure how much longer I’ll be able to make gains.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 3:15 pm to
8 Miles @7:46

Last "long run" until next Sunday.

Can't wait to pace the 4:00 group

7 Bridges rolls out the red carpet for their pacers. I get a VIP meal the night before, VIP bathrooms, VIP Drinks after the race, VIP meal after the race as well, and if I wasn't staying so close I would get VIP parking.

Also kinda crazy that I'll be running my 2nd fastest marathon time ever while having so much responsibility for it at the same time
This post was edited on 10/12/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 4:32 pm to
8 @ 7:45 is impressive. Not sure I could handle the pressure of a pacer.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 10/12/24 at 5:54 pm to
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Not sure I could handle the pressure of a pacer.


The biggest thing you have to remember is that in any other situation you can't be a pacer for a full marathon without a 30 minute buffer on your PR - so for the 4:00 I should have run a 3:30 within the last couple of years, that means the pace is super easy for the person and they are golden.

Unfortunately Fall is "big marathon" time and it's one of the hardest times to get pacers - with 7 Bridges he had someone but they dropped out last weekend and Suman was left scrambling, he wasn't going to find someone with that magical 3:30 in time - so he tasked me with it because I
1) at least have run 15 minutes faster (this is a requirement for the half... obviously)
2) Have been training for a sub-3:30 for 10 months now, so my fitness should be pretty close.

I tested my heart rate @ 9:05 just to make sure before agreeing as well and my HR never rose above 132 in 6 miles so I agreed
This post was edited on 10/12/24 at 5:57 pm
Posted by TheJunction
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:09 am to
Im currently in the middle of Pfitz base building plan to 30 miles/week (all easy miles, with some strides built in). Once I hit 30, I plan to stay in the 30-35 miles/week for a month or two just to get comfortable (most I’ve ran previously is 25-27 mile weeks), but start including some tempo work in as well.

What comes next? My thought was to then start (after a month or two of getting comfortable at 30-35 miles/week) pfitz’s 12/47 HM plan for a race in April and then turn that into doing his 18/55 for the St. Jude marathon next December - does that sound reasonable? Another thought (again, affect running 30-35 miles/week for a month or two) was to do his base building plan to 45 miles/week and then maintain in that range until the 18/55 plan starts next summer.

I’ve dealt with shin splints in the past, so I’m trying to be very careful about not building to quickly, but I really want to get into that 40/50 mile week range.

Regardless of what I do - I’d like a “plan” just to keep me motivated and on the right track as far as easy/tempo miles.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:13 am to
quote:

I’ve dealt with shin splints in the past



Are you doing any tibialis raises?
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:36 am to
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TheJunction


Personally I keep it in the 30s during "maintenance". To get to 30 a week I would go up no more than 10% a week on distance until you get there. As you increase it's also recommend to have a "cut back" of 10% - 20% every 3-4 weeks, then go back to building.

Once again personally, I actually do my "workout runs" during my building phase, but if you are scared of getting injured then cutting them out while you build is fine.

You can continue to build until you get into the mid to upper 30s and even dip your toes into the 40s if you want, but just be careful. I didn't get into the 40 miles a week until 5 weeks before my Marathon last Fall (my current PR). Before then I had averaged ~34 miles a week.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 10:44 am
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