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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:49 am to
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:49 am to
Thank you

In the plans you've used, what has been your longest run at marathon pace?
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:05 pm to
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Plan



Looks like what one would use to start getting in to tris?

The bikes on that plan average you out to the equivalent of a 5 mile run. 3-5 miles isn't enough time to get any speed work done. Not leveraging the long run for additional workouts is a mistake, I feel... Long runs under 10-12 miles are not long runs compared to the work you are doing during the week.

All that being said, going under 4 with that plan will reflect more who you are as a natural runner/talent than what it says about the plan. I think you can go sub 4 since you're already in pretty good shape. Maybe the most important part is just finishing the plan so you know where you stand for your next training block. Setting a baseline if you will.

@Cat

To answer your question, yes. Yes, just about anyone with the right amount of training (more importantly dedication) can get Boston qualified. I've always said that a sub 5 minute mile is twice as impressive than a sub 3 marathon. I kind of miss the days when the mile was the premiere world distance.

It took me just under 2 years training to run a 2:43 (2019) for my first and only marathon finish to date.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:45 pm to
Heart doc said to keep the hard HR days to 180 or below. He didn’t seem too concerned with me hitting 194 a couple of weeks ago at my age.
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:52 pm to
I haven't follow any particular plan. I pieced together run types based around mileage that I wanted to total per week. I would guess my "focused" training block was maybe 8-10 weeks. 2-3 days were working intervals totaling 5-7miles on treadmill in the morning and then maybe one of those days another 5-7 miler in the afternoon. weekends usually 15ish with at least half at GP on Saturday and then 10ish GP+30 on Sunday. weekly total in the 50-60 range for 3-4 weeks and then 1 "recovery" week.

I don't think you need 60 mile weeks but I don't mind running and my marathons were usually b/w ultras. I also don't think the mileage that plan has is gonna get you sub 4 based on the half times you posted unless you didn't train for those and just winged it.

I agree about BQ. While it is a challenge its achievable by most "normal" people if they make the commitment. some require less and others way more.

Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28518 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Looks like what one would use to start getting in to tris?

The bikes on that plan average you out to the equivalent of a 5 mile run. 3-5 miles isn't enough time to get any speed work done. Not leveraging the long run for additional workouts is a mistake, I feel... Long runs under 10-12 miles are not long runs compared to the work you are doing during the week.

All that being said, going under 4 with that plan will reflect more who you are as a natural runner/talent than what it says about the plan. I think you can go sub 4 since you're already in pretty good shape. Maybe the most important part is just finishing the plan so you know where you stand for your next training block. Setting a baseline if you will.


Understood. So do you think it's wise to cut out one of the mid-week bikes and replace it with an easy, medium-distance run?
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:48 pm to
It can only help. ;)
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28518 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28518 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 2:41 pm to
Based on y'all's suggestions, the new plan looks like this:

Mondays - 15 mile zone 2 bike
Tuesdays - speed work for approximately 3 - 5 miles (sprints in various distances significantly faster than marathon pace)
Wednesdays - 15 - 25 mile bike (140+ HR and at least 17 mph)
Thursday - tempo runs in 4 - 10 mile range with most miles slightly faster than marathon pace
Friday - 5 - 9 mile runs at long run pace (approximately 45 seconds - 1 minute slower than marathon pace)
Saturday - rest
Sunday - long runs (this run is slower than marathon pace, generally by about 45 seconds per mile, and is in the following distances: 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 10, 15, 16, 12, 18, 13, 20, 13, 8)

This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28518 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

I don't think you need 60 mile weeks but I don't mind running and my marathons were usually b/w ultras. I also don't think the mileage that plan has is gonna get you sub 4 based on the half times you posted unless you didn't train for those and just winged it.


Thanks for the feedback.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44411 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 9:55 pm to
Super pumped. On a 0-400 scale, I scored a ZERO on my calcium score at the cardiologist today. Which is perfect. Less than 1% chance of heart attack in the next decade for me!

Ran 5 miles this evening. Averaged a 10min/mile pace. Ran hard. Hills and 1/4 mile fartleks. Drank beer and ate pizza at the end.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 11:17 pm to
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Super pumped. On a 0-400 scale, I scored a ZERO on my calcium score at the cardiologist today. Which is perfect. Less than 1% chance of heart attack in the next decade for me!
how is this done. I think I don’t even want to know my score
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44411 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:24 am to
It’s a 2 min CT scan of your heart. If you have build up, calcium coats the outside of the blockage and shows up on the scan. Given my family’s awful history of heart disease, that news was nothing short of a miracle for me.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28518 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 7:48 am to
Hell yeah bro!
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41249 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 3:05 pm to
Ran 13 at marathon pace today (a little under 8) and felt super strong. Was 15 seconds off my half PR and wasn’t really even trying. Helps to be in LA weather compared to NYC humidity.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 4:13 pm to
I'm gonna give you the upvote for the awesome accomplishments, but you must be higher than a giraffe's pussy to come into this thread talking NYC humidity.

See ya in 10 weeks BTW. My hotel is like two blocks from the expo.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41249 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 4:35 pm to
I’m serious when I say NYC humidity recently has been rivaling NOLA’s. No lie. It’s not quite there but it’s close.

Anyway, thanks dude! See you in a few weeks. Closer to, I’ll get your info and hit you up when I go to the expo to pick up my bib. How are you getting out there? Ferry or bus? I’ll be on the 545 bus
Posted by LSUtiger17
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
3092 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:40 pm to
Just finished a 30-minute run at 9k feet that was supposed to be “easy.” I live in NOLA, and incorrectly assumed that the 60 degree temp here would offset the 9k extra feet of elevation since I’m used to running in a 100 degree heat index. I was wrong My Garmin dropped my VO2 max by 3 points today. Hills and elevation take more getting used to than I was expecting. I must’ve been running 12 minute pace on the last few hills
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 6:41 pm
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 8:24 am to
Came in under 22 minutes in a 5k this morning for the first time. It has been fun to see the progress over these past couple of years.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 9:00 am to
I've not selected yet. I guess they aren't going to give us our starting corral and time before we chose? If that's the case, then it'll be the 5:15 bus from NYL since it's a relatively short walk.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44411 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 9:07 am to
12 miles at a 10:20min/mile pace. Average HR 163. Paces great. Felt great. Could easily go out and run another 12.
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