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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by kballa6
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
4081 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:32 pm to
18 mi training run yesterday. Glad I was able to keep pace most of the run but I was useless for the following 3 hours.

I was pretty down on myself thinking how on earth I’d be able to do another 8 in 7 weeks. I realize this was 18 miles after a full week of running but I met the wall at mile 17 and am still not sure how I got through the last one.
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 9/15/19 at 6:44 pm to
Its time I join this thread.

Ive always been a 3 miler, but I dont want to get stuck in a rut so I will be branching out a little bit.

Got in 7 miles this morning at 8:59 pace. I didnt know what to expect so I took it easy but I felt good the entire time other than my ankles screaming at mile 6.

I run in Brooks Launch 6 but plan on going to Fleet Feet in Monroe for their scan and selection.
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:04 am to
I saw quite a few people in our group crushing races on Strava this weekend. Just wanted to jump in and send some big ups to you guys. Congrats Burt, BNG, Roots, CB - and anybody I might have left out.

Some PRs and fast times - the group was out snapping necks and cashing checks this weekend!



Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
15409 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:35 pm to
Major credit to Roots and Burt. Those guys really crushed it this weekend. Roots should be especially proud of his time and effort. We had a whopping 200+ ft of elevation that he handled like a pro. I'm rather disappointed in my effort. Elevation really drained my legs the second time. I learned a lot from this run though. Mostly that I shouldn't run any more races with elevation.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28875 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Mostly that I shouldn't run any more races with elevation


Wussies.

Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:10 am to
4 miles this morning on some slight hills

8:20 pace

Really having to relax and just run/zone out to get myself past my 3 mile mental block, but Im learning to enjoy it.

Prepping for a 10K on Saturday. I will probably run once more on Thursday, then lay up and hydrate on Friday. Hoping the "cool front" comes through.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:29 am to
Decided to pull out of that 15k I was going to do. Last year’s course had some issues with directions and cutting and this year it looks like they changed it again. I’m not giving them 45 bucks to ruin my day like last year plus I’d just be running by myself anyway just like last year. Maybe I can find something else for the 5th of October.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
26510 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:54 am to
How important are running shoes? I’ve been running in some old beater Nikes for some time now.

I recently ran a 10K in 54:56 and a 6-miler in 52:13. Do I need to go get fitted if I want to improve my times for a half and full marathon I plan to run next year?
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13382 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:16 pm to
Pretty important, but not necessarily to increase speed. Proper shoes will prevent injury and running shoes, at most, have a 400 to 500 mile lifespan for a consistent runner.

I’d go to a running store and try some different shoes on if your current Nikes are truly old and beat.
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
15409 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:19 am to
Burt... you see big benefits from running those one minute on, one minute off workouts? I've steadily increased the length of my intervals from 800m to 1km to 1M. I was thinking about replicating one of your workouts, but wasn't sure being slightly over a month out from my next race.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:51 am to
Yes, for two reasons. They increase my vo2 max and help with leg turnover. The only workouts I did all summer was to increase my speed and get me used to running fast without panicking. You’ll see more cruising speed stuff from me this fall.
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
15409 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:52 am to
quote:

You’ll see more cruising speed stuff from me this fall.


About what pace will you be running these as it relates to your race paces? I did mile repeats this AM at what I believe is my current 10k race pace. Six of them with 90 second rest. Trying to determine if I'm going to go up in reps, down in rest, or quicker pace.

ETA: I am liking the pace, so that is least likely to change. Quicker than my anticipated 1/2 pace, but still leaving some gas in the tank.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 11:55 am
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:07 pm to
Cruise intervals @ marathon or half marathon speed.

Temp intervals 1000m @ 5-10k 2000m 10-15k pace. 400 meter recovery for the shorter, 200 meter recovery for the longer slower

Progressions, when you actually get to the workout part of the run should start fast and end fast Half pace progress to 5k

Mile repeats @ 5k with 2-3 minutes rest.

I do short fartleks at 5k or faster

(Disclaimer) These paces are specific to my routine.
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
15409 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:05 pm to
You the man Burt. You have to be consuming upwards of 4k calories per day. How much of those are coming from not ideal sources?
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:17 pm to
Nah man closer to to 2500-3000 and what do you consider not ideal? I eat the hell out of every carb I can get my hands on or else my runs won’t be worth a damn. You know what’s funny though? Half my runs are no fuel a lot of those intervals you see is with the tank on E.
Posted by Rsande63
Spring,TX
Member since Jan 2016
579 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:41 pm to
Burt,

The last couple back & forth posts w/ Black&Gold --> are these workout ideas for advanced runners or can a newer person utilize them ?

My plan came with this email (based on garmin data I sent in)--> no dedicated speedwork on track but feel free to mix-in hard and fast running on my 12-19 extra miles per week for 1st 9 weeks.



*they want me to average 35+ over 18 weeks and Hal Higdon is lighter up front so they gave me "open" runs *
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 2:44 pm
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:29 pm to
Nothing advanced about em friend, and I train my intervals on the road too. Novices to professionals use those types of workouts with the only difference being the time it takes to do them. Different lengths, speed and recovery do different things to your body. Shorter faster workouts with equal recovery is for speed (VO2 max). Longer intervals with shorter recovery increase lactate threshold. Another thing that the novice and pros share about these types of workouts is maximum effort = maximum results.
Posted by Rsande63
Spring,TX
Member since Jan 2016
579 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:47 pm to
Thanks man.

I'm glad I did summer miles because it opened up more potential miles and these "bonus" runs where I can give maximum effort on the Higdon plan.

I have solid 1 mile, 5K, and 10K paces to train for my HMP & MP goals so I will build these faster workouts in for my second run of the day or on days 5&6.
Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4466 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:33 pm to
It's now under 40 days until I attempt my first marathon. I've been keeping up with my training runs and feel really confident about finishing with a decent time. However, I would really like to lose 8-10 lbs between now and raceday and from past experiences I know I can lose 2-3 lbs a week by counting my calories. Currently I bounce anywhere between 187lbs and 192 lbs, and would like to be as close to 180lbs as possible for the race.

I know what I need to do (calories in/calories out, dial back the alcohol consumption, watch the sodium), but does anyone have any suggestions for nutrition? Should I just consider chicken and broccoli for every meal?
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40926 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:52 pm to
First run in my new Launch 6. Felt like taking a weight off my feet compared to the ghosts. Amazing feel.
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