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Nutrition topics that are in dispute and your findings
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:24 pm
I'm always fascinated by how little consensus there is on a variety of nutrition topics.
I'll start the thread with a simple example. Are peanuts healthy? A few minutes of googling and scouring health articles will have you in all sorts of directions on this. My findings - one serving a day at most seems to be fine but more could be problematic especially for weight management. Then there is the Paleo crowd that thinks peanuts and all legumes by extension are bad because they contain lectins. From what I've read regarding lectins is that for the amount to be problematic you'd have to eat an insane amount and most of them are broken down during cooking anyway.
What are some examples of other foods where you might see a similar disconnect of opinions?
I'll start the thread with a simple example. Are peanuts healthy? A few minutes of googling and scouring health articles will have you in all sorts of directions on this. My findings - one serving a day at most seems to be fine but more could be problematic especially for weight management. Then there is the Paleo crowd that thinks peanuts and all legumes by extension are bad because they contain lectins. From what I've read regarding lectins is that for the amount to be problematic you'd have to eat an insane amount and most of them are broken down during cooking anyway.
What are some examples of other foods where you might see a similar disconnect of opinions?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:02 pm to TigeRoots
That and dietary cholesterol in general. If eggs are bad for you then I'm doomed. I eat more eggs when I'm trying to be healthy.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:35 pm to Powerman
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That and dietary cholesterol in general. If eggs are bad for you then I'm doomed. I eat more eggs when I'm trying to be healthy.
Yeah, definitely. I used to eat them daily, but cut back to about 3-4x's a week. No real reason, just mixing breakfast up a little.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:58 pm to TigeRoots
I'm lazy and buy the hard boiled eggs. I'll add to a chicken salad or a vegetable dish that lacks protein.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:04 pm to TigeRoots
Eggs postworkout or carbs post workout? I've read you should always keep carbs and protein high peri workout and fats low to make for quicker digestion. Also heard eggs are the best post workout because of the dietary cholesterol
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:07 pm to Yeti_Chaser
I've read that you need protein and carbs post workout for optimal muscle growth. If you're going to carb load before a workout it needs to be a few hours in advance
Note - this isn't me declaring these statements to be true. Just what I've read recently.
Note - this isn't me declaring these statements to be true. Just what I've read recently.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:40 am to Powerman
Phytic acid is an interesting one. It applies to peanuts and other legumes, nuts, seeds, grains, and tubers.
Phytic acid blocks the absorption of key minerals. It can be reduced in preparation methods (soaking and cooking, sprouting, fermentation), but those methods are generally time-consuming.
On the other hand, it's an antioxidant and can absorb heavy metal ions in the body.
Personally, I would do a lot more fermenting in general if I had more time for it. On peanuts specifically, sometimes I really like them out of the shells and I really like peanut butter on sandwiches and in smoothies. The macros are good, but there are these issues with phytic acid, and possibly lectins and toxins. Studies seem to indicate toxins are less prevalent in peanut butter. I think peanuts are good in moderation, but ideally you'd want to reduce that phytic acid.
Phytic acid blocks the absorption of key minerals. It can be reduced in preparation methods (soaking and cooking, sprouting, fermentation), but those methods are generally time-consuming.
On the other hand, it's an antioxidant and can absorb heavy metal ions in the body.
Personally, I would do a lot more fermenting in general if I had more time for it. On peanuts specifically, sometimes I really like them out of the shells and I really like peanut butter on sandwiches and in smoothies. The macros are good, but there are these issues with phytic acid, and possibly lectins and toxins. Studies seem to indicate toxins are less prevalent in peanut butter. I think peanuts are good in moderation, but ideally you'd want to reduce that phytic acid.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:13 am to Powerman
Usually when I Google and exercise or food item, I find just as many articles telling me it’s good as I do that it’s bad.
There’s not a lot of consensus anywhere.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:36 am to Powerman
the reason you see this is because way too many people focus on very small details that have very very little impact on overall nutrition.
everone is worried about optimizing nutrition when 99% of americans cant even hit their macros much less need to be worried about meal timing and micros
everone is worried about optimizing nutrition when 99% of americans cant even hit their macros much less need to be worried about meal timing and micros
Posted on 6/14/21 at 9:14 am to lsu777
There are advocates for and against every diet and food item there is.Only agreement that seems universal is that simple carbohydrates and high fructose corn syrup is bad but stores sell a shite ton of them.
The only diet that doesn’t seem to get a lot of hate is the Mediterranean diet.
The only diet that doesn’t seem to get a lot of hate is the Mediterranean diet.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:22 am to LSUA 75
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y agreement that seems universal is that simple carbohydrates and high fructose corn syrup is bad but stores sell a shite ton of them.
Because people are sheep and believe because it helped them, it must be a universal truth. Also most in the industry are trying to sell something. Kid of hard to sell eat less, move more, lift heavy shite snd out it down.
The science says only thing that matters is caloric balance and protein. From there it's all about compliance. Keto, Mediterranean, low fat/high carb, IF etc are all just strategies for those things.
I personally eat keto most of the time, it's my preferred. But I'm not dense enough to think it's some special diet or everyone should or would like eating keto.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 12:06 pm to lsu777
The basic problem is that nature programmed humans to have cravings for fat,sugar and salt because for much of mankind it was the hunter gatherer lifestyle and they were not readily available for much of the year.
North American Indigenous people,for example,didn’t have access to simple carbs,they had wild fruit at certain times of the year but it wasn’t near as sweet as modern fruit.Honeybees were European transplants so they didn’t even have honey.They ate some wild plants but they got significant amounts of vitamins from eating the internal organs of animals they killed.They instinctively knew the organs were the most nutritious part of the animal and they were prized.
Wild animals don’t have marbeled fat but they collected what they could and also cracked open bones and ate the marrow which has high fat content.
In short ,they had times of plenty and times of famine to prepare for.
We don’t have famines but we still have the innate cravings for fat,sugar and salt,to our detriment.
I’ll readily admit I have my struggles with sweets,in particular.
North American Indigenous people,for example,didn’t have access to simple carbs,they had wild fruit at certain times of the year but it wasn’t near as sweet as modern fruit.Honeybees were European transplants so they didn’t even have honey.They ate some wild plants but they got significant amounts of vitamins from eating the internal organs of animals they killed.They instinctively knew the organs were the most nutritious part of the animal and they were prized.
Wild animals don’t have marbeled fat but they collected what they could and also cracked open bones and ate the marrow which has high fat content.
In short ,they had times of plenty and times of famine to prepare for.
We don’t have famines but we still have the innate cravings for fat,sugar and salt,to our detriment.
I’ll readily admit I have my struggles with sweets,in particular.
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/14/21 at 12:46 pm to Powerman
Food is big business. Taken as a whole, the food industry, and its supply chains, are the big business. With that kind of money moving around the truth isn't exactly a priority. Hell, a large portion of the domestic food industry is owned by companies like Phillip Morris. Their track record when it comes to telling the truth mixed, to put it mildly.
There's not a lot of money in telling people to eat whole foods and move more and that's before even getting into the minutia of things like eggs and lignans.
There's not a lot of money in telling people to eat whole foods and move more and that's before even getting into the minutia of things like eggs and lignans.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 3:02 pm to Powerman
There has been a lot of misinformation about cholesterol and fats.
The cholesterol in eggs has a lot of benefits, despite the misconceptions people have. It's similar to dietary fat (excluding unnatural trans fat). You'll see products in stores that are marketed as "low fat" and "healthy". But you read the label and there's hardly any nutritional value, and it has a bunch of added sugar, which can be addicting. It's really unfortunate that sugar is so ubiquitous and it's considered normal to ingest it in massive amounts, even for kids. You look at the diabetes numbers and people having to get limbs removed, I think it would be beneficial to think more in terms of addiction.
This article goes through some of the disputes over the effects of fats vs. sugars.
I look at research, but you have to have a skeptical eye for the research at times. I also pay close attention to the effects foods and drinks have on me.
Good diets will have some variations from person to person based on variations in genetics, biochemistry, microbiome, goals, etc.
The cholesterol in eggs has a lot of benefits, despite the misconceptions people have. It's similar to dietary fat (excluding unnatural trans fat). You'll see products in stores that are marketed as "low fat" and "healthy". But you read the label and there's hardly any nutritional value, and it has a bunch of added sugar, which can be addicting. It's really unfortunate that sugar is so ubiquitous and it's considered normal to ingest it in massive amounts, even for kids. You look at the diabetes numbers and people having to get limbs removed, I think it would be beneficial to think more in terms of addiction.
This article goes through some of the disputes over the effects of fats vs. sugars.
I look at research, but you have to have a skeptical eye for the research at times. I also pay close attention to the effects foods and drinks have on me.
Good diets will have some variations from person to person based on variations in genetics, biochemistry, microbiome, goals, etc.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 4:06 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Usually when I Google and exercise or food item, I find just as many articles telling me it’s good as I do that it’s bad. There’s not a lot of consensus anywhere.
That's what I'm talking about
Posted on 6/14/21 at 5:50 pm to Powerman
I am personally up in the air on the relative importance of "micronutrients." (Or at least focusing on them as some sort of goal.)
Obviously we need vitamins and
minerals, but I'm fairly convinced that one could not only survive but thrive off of well-sourced red meat, fish, poultry, and eggs (dairy is a separate hot button so I'll leave that out for now). Throw fiber in the same category. I think a whole animal protein focus obviates fiber and gives you readily available micronutrients.
I'm not "carnivore," mainly bc I love berries and other plant shite. But I just sort of roll my eyes when people get fired up about veggies, esp vegan dipshits.
Eat them if you like them, but the real essentials of life are in animal proteins.
Obviously we need vitamins and
minerals, but I'm fairly convinced that one could not only survive but thrive off of well-sourced red meat, fish, poultry, and eggs (dairy is a separate hot button so I'll leave that out for now). Throw fiber in the same category. I think a whole animal protein focus obviates fiber and gives you readily available micronutrients.
I'm not "carnivore," mainly bc I love berries and other plant shite. But I just sort of roll my eyes when people get fired up about veggies, esp vegan dipshits.
Eat them if you like them, but the real essentials of life are in animal proteins.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:06 pm to Powerman
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dietary cholesterol in general
I thought that nonsense had finally been laid to rest.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:19 pm to McLemore
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Eat them if you like them, but the real essentials of life are in animal proteins.
Another term I hate is "super food" but based on my limited google research organ meats might have some of the most nutritional benefits.
Not that I eat it often but I'm not exactly a picture of good health
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:08 pm to lsu777
There are 40 essential micronutrients that people have to get from their diet. Those micronutrients are vital to improve health and prevent disease.
I see what you're saying about people having trouble with the basics, but there are a lot of micronutrient deficiencies as well.
Study: Half of All Americans are Magnesium Deficient
I see what you're saying about people having trouble with the basics, but there are a lot of micronutrient deficiencies as well.
Study: Half of All Americans are Magnesium Deficient
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 9:03 am
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