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Low-fat v. Low-carb diets - new study

Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Dixie Normus
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:48 pm
Saw this on reddit.

Link to study:

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Summary: Stanford researchers, looks unbiased. Study observed 609 overweight adults and put them on a low-fat or low-carb diet to see if genotype or insulin levels have an effect on weight loss.

Conclusion: Dietary restrictions are still key for weight loss (duh), but they did not see any significant differences in weight loss between the two dietary strategies. They feel like genotype and insulin levels do not play as heavy of a role in weight loss as previously thought.

I know it's just one study, but found it interesting because this board (including myself) is high on low-carb diets for cutting. Also found it interesting that insulin levels don't play as much of a role as we thought so now I guess people don't have as much of an excuse when they say they can't lose weight because of Type 2 Diabetes.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:56 pm to
calories are the only thing that matter for weight loss. Protein effects fat loss, carbs and fat do not affect fat loss at all despite what people like to preach on here.

there is no study done in the last 20 years that is peer reviewed that has found low carb diets burn more fat. Now for many the hunger blunting effects of keto are worth their weight in gold, but the bottomline is if you are in a caloric deficit and are eating enough protein to maintain current levels of muscle mass, you are 95% or more on the way to achieving your goal.

there are slight thermogenic advantages to keto, IF, carb cycling, caloric cycling, carb backloading etc but not enough to matter over the long run.
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:57 pm to
Low carb for cutting isn’t about losing more weight or weight faster. It’s about body composition and trying to lose as little strength as possible.

Calories in vs calories out is the only thing that matters for pure weight loss.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

. Now for many the hunger blunting effects of keto are worth their weight in gold, but the bottomline is if you are in a caloric deficit and are eating enough protein to maintain current levels of muscle mass, you are 95% or more on the way to achieving your goal.


Word
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

calories are the only thing that matter for weight loss


I am going to be that guy and say "Close." Calories are all that matter for "fat loss." Macro profile has everything to do with body composition with water weight.

So technically, keto diet will always lose more weight. Fat loss can be the same in both types of diets though.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

I am going to be that guy and say "Close." Calories are all that matter for "fat loss." Macro profile has everything to do with body composition with water weight.


true, I should have typed it that away. But in the long run that usually balances out. But yes you do get about 10-12 lbs of water weight loss with true keto style low carb.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

true, I should have typed it that away.


No worries. I knew you knew. I was mostly saying it so that people start using the wording correctly because it can cause confusion.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:13 pm to
no you were saying cause you had to be that guy didnt you
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:17 pm to
It was an inner monologue that went like this " I know 777 knows this stuff but damn did he just make a rookie move. I hate to be the guy to tell him. However tough it may be to his ego that he royally screwed the pooch, he has to be told otherwise he might come off as "special." That's not what I want for my bro. I'll just take the fall and be "that guy" so that he can be protected."
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:19 pm to
thats alright I give you shite every chance I can too.

Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:21 pm to
I wish. I don't get a single comment in any of my workout logs. I gets the sadz.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:00 pm to
Every time my wife forces us on some low carb diet, I lose weight. Maybe I am eating fewer calories, I have no idea. I just know I lose weight.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:16 pm to
Wouldn't it depend on the carb threshold? If the fat people were in ketosis they would lose fat. Someone with a high body fat % would lose a lot of weight in ketosis where a normal person could break even or gain weight by adding muscle.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:25 pm to
No carb intake has been shown to have zero relevance on fat loss.

Like I said above though it has other benefits like blunted hunger that help weight loss in the long run and has a myriad of health benefits.

See the triangle below. It's calories, then did you get enough protein. After that everything else is just lagniappe and trying to get as close to optimal as possible.

Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:33 pm to
In my experience, a low carb diet usually means a diet higher in protein and fat. Protein and fat make feel fuller for longer, so you don't consume as many calories and you lose weight.


That's my very unscientific, personal anecdote on dieting. I lost almost 40 pounds last year, and have kept them off with this type of dieting.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:46 pm to
And that is 100% true and so is the study in that when calories are constant fat loss remains consistent whether high fat or high carb.

This has been proven to be true over mutiple studies, what you said has also been proven true.

The only study I know of where it was proven macro levels mattered was the original fat fast and protein sparing modified fast studies from the late 50 and early 60s but they were focused on caloric levels well under a thousand calories
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:25 pm to
I’ve been bringing carbs back in after reigning them in big time. Getting better results with a smoothie that has some good fruits and veggies in it
Posted by zatetic
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:57 pm to
That study was a waste of time in comparing:
In the HLF vs HLC diets, respectively, the mean 12-month macronutrient distributions were 48% vs 30% for carbohydrates, 29% vs 45% for fat, and 21% vs 23% for protein.

The difference between ketosis diet and other diets is that when you are in ketosis your body only uses fat as the fuel. All other diets are insulin based. In a carb or protein diet you will still break down muscle for energy if you are in negative calories while the ketosis diet does not. There is no sense at this point in doing anything other than fasting to lose weight. Fasting boosts your growth hormone levels super high and turns on autophagy. Autophagy won the Nobel Prize in medicine in 2016 for its huge health benefits. If you can't not eat to lose weight then ketosis is the next best. Hormones are super important.

What if we told you that following a ketogenic diet does not necessarily mean losing your precious muscle mass? Here is the evidence.

High protein diets are high in cortisol which can lower testosterone. You don't need to go to such stress when there are easier and healthier options for you. High carb diets, if gluten heavy, can wreck your gut and your persona ( How the Gut Microbiome affects the Brain and Mind)
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

No carb intake has been shown to have zero relevance on fat loss.



How can it have zero relevance if ketosis is the state of the body burning fat instead of glucose for energy? I don’t see how both can be true. Maybe true of low carb diets that fall short of ketosis, but there is definitely a threshold that, when passed, becomes very relevant to fat loss. Unless I have completely misunderstood the science.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 8:43 pm to
Because to achieve ketosis you are burning the fat you are inputting into your body in the form of food. You burn that fat plus any body fat needed to make up the caloric deficit.

Fat is the easiest macro to burn for fuel once fat adapted. It's also the easiest macro to store as fat.

Again there is not a single study done in the last 30 years that accounts for amount of calories that show low carb, no carb or any form of carb restriction burns body fat at a higher rate than a iso caloric diet over a course of at least 6 weeks. Any difference has been nelgible in studies.
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