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Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:46 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
i'm good. i've got the strava to prove it.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:59 pm to LSUlove
quote:I'm sorry, but this is simply untrue. Their bodies have zero requirement for dietary carbs - and whole grains aren't healthy even if you wanted a lot of carbs.
They need some form of carbs for energy, especially the complex carbs in whole grain
quote:OK, make it butter then. When I was 5, I absolutely would have taken butter any way you could have given it to me. And if your kid(s) like milk, then just replace with half and half and/or heavy cream. If that's what they associate with milk, then they won't know the difference. My granddaughter drinks a big glass of half and half several times per week.
These aren't 20-30 year old guys trying to get cut. Try to get a 5 year old to drink a shot of heavy cream...lol.
quote:Yeah, they are easy and fun. Maybe avoid the pistachios and cashews, but most others just let them eat as many as they want (especially the macadamias).
Nuts are one thing that I haven't tried. Thanks for the suggestion!
quote:Do they like fish? I see my grandkids eating that thin-sliced salmon sometimes. Also, there are actually some good, non-junky cereal options. This is the best one I've found. A pretty big bowl of it will have very little sugar - and it's tasty...especially if you use cream instead of just milk.
They are hungry for breakfast and if they don't eat at home, then they have the option of eating the crap their school is serving
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
Regarding the carbs, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It is the primary source of energy for our body. While it is not an essential nutrient, it is much easier and more fulfilling to sustain a diet with some carbs in it than cutting them out completely, especially as a child.
Also, if they don't have enough carbs, the protein and fat they consume would have to be used as energy and then those nutrients couldn't do their jobs promoting growth. Children need more carbs than adults because their bodies are growing and developing and they are more active. Now, I am not talking about the kids that don't tend to get much activity and eat junk in front of the tv, but your typical, active child certainly wouldn't be harmed by eating carbs.
Real butter is used widely in our house so to also supplement with heavy cream or half and half would add way more saturated fat to our diet than I believe necessary.
We eat some fish, but are you referring to smoked salmon? That is a good thought as well. Thanks!
Also, if they don't have enough carbs, the protein and fat they consume would have to be used as energy and then those nutrients couldn't do their jobs promoting growth. Children need more carbs than adults because their bodies are growing and developing and they are more active. Now, I am not talking about the kids that don't tend to get much activity and eat junk in front of the tv, but your typical, active child certainly wouldn't be harmed by eating carbs.
Real butter is used widely in our house so to also supplement with heavy cream or half and half would add way more saturated fat to our diet than I believe necessary.
We eat some fish, but are you referring to smoked salmon? That is a good thought as well. Thanks!
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:51 pm to LSUlove
quote:We can agree to disagree, although I'd like to respectfully continue the discussion. Fat should be the primary energy source for our bodies. Much easier to use carbs? Maybe, although the very nature of this thread would seem to be your are a thoughtful parent not just looking for what's easy. More fulfilling? I'm not sure what that means. Proteins and fats will fill up and sate your kids way better than carbs.
Regarding the carbs, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It is the primary source of energy for our body. While it is not an essential nutrient, it is much easier and more fulfilling to sustain a diet with some carbs in it than cutting them out completely, especially as a child.
Also, if they don't have enough carbs, the protein and fat they consume would have to be used as energy and then those nutrients couldn't do their jobs promoting growth. Children need more carbs than adults because their bodies are growing and developing and they are more active. Now, I am not talking about the kids that don't tend to get much activity and eat junk in front of the tv, but your typical, active child certainly wouldn't be harmed by eating carbs.
quote:Can you have too much saturated fat? What is your fear in that regard?
Real butter is used widely in our house so to also supplement with heavy cream or half and half would add way more saturated fat to our diet than I believe necessary.
quote:Yeah - plenty of places (including Costco) sells the pre-sliced Norwegian salmon. It's pretty good.
We eat some fish, but are you referring to smoked salmon? That is a good thought as well. Thanks!
I was also thinking - pickles and olives are a good snack too (obviously if the kid likes it.) 2 of my grandkids LOVE both, so I know their mom puts some in their lunch every day and they complain about not having more. Green pimento-stuffed olives in particular seem to be a hit. They are bite sized, salty and great!
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Proteins and fats will fill up and sate your kids way better than carbs.
This is true, but I'd be very hesitant to feed a kid anything other than an isocaloric diet until they are well into their teens.
Remember, kids are growing and need a full range of micronutrients as well. Attempting to feed most kids a low carb diet is just asking to underfeed due to the satiety. Unless the kid is fat.
If you've ever tried to bulk on a low carb diet, you surely understand how hard it is to gain weight.
I eat less than 60 grams of carbs daily, but I feed my 4 kids a balanced diet. I consider food quality and nutrition more important than macros for kids.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Much easier to use carbs? Maybe, although the very nature of this thread would seem to be your are a thoughtful parent not just looking for what's easy.
Lol, happy to read that I come off as a thoughtful parent...though it seems you believe the thought of me wanting to feed my children fruit for breakfast is child abuse.
j/k By easier, I meant for your body to convert to energy. The main function of carbs is providing energy to your body. As I mentioned, fats and proteins have other specific functions and are only relied upon to provide energy when carbs are lacking.
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More fulfilling? I'm not sure what that means.
More fulfilling meaning that it is a diet (not in the lose weight kind of way) that they can sustain. Many of my child's friends, and our friends for that matter, don't eat like we do (for the most part healthy). When my kids visit friends and they consume junk food that the parents allow them to eat, they then come home and are limited. It is difficult enough reasoning with them as to why Johnny's parents let him have Little Debbies and we don't. I want them to be able to have a diet they can live with and not feel limited or too envious of their friends (to the point they are hiding Twinkies in their bedroom)
. Let's be honest, sugar tastes good. I would choose pop tarts over eggs and cold cuts for breakfast any day if there were no consequences. Bottom line, expecting a child to be eat carb free isn't realistic nor is it necessary.
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Can you have too much saturated fat? What is your fear in that regard?
Regarding saturated fat, I would think the many people with heart disease would agree that too much is a bad thing. While genetics play a large part, a diet high in saturated fat is not a healthy diet.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
Kids are different than adults. They really need the micro nutrition fruits provide. Dont push low carb on kids. A paleo style would be the most serious I would get.
OP to answer your quesiton, unless your kid is overweight let them eat kid things but teach them how to read labels. Once they are teenager you can start having them track actively, but if you crack down you are going to have a fat kid once they move out because they are going to eat everything you didnt allow. Teach them the IIFYM way for now and how to certain foods contain lots of micronutrition.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:34 pm to LSUlove
i don't mean this in any disrespectful way to Big Scrub at all.
but he's an Austin granola dude based on posts here and in Poliboard.
i live around there and several parents are very very particular about their kids' diets. i'm only about 40 miles removed from there and whenever we're out and about you'll see kids eating at restaurants that i sure as heck didn't go to or would have behaved for at that age. that town is healthy AF for a good reason.
not bringing poli-board to HF board or anything, but i think he's coming from a more holistic method than we're used to.
Big Scrub, no insult meant here, hopefully just clarifying.
but he's an Austin granola dude based on posts here and in Poliboard.
i live around there and several parents are very very particular about their kids' diets. i'm only about 40 miles removed from there and whenever we're out and about you'll see kids eating at restaurants that i sure as heck didn't go to or would have behaved for at that age. that town is healthy AF for a good reason.
not bringing poli-board to HF board or anything, but i think he's coming from a more holistic method than we're used to.
Big Scrub, no insult meant here, hopefully just clarifying.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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High school track meets are won with 5 something miles. An 8 year old running in the 7s is pretty damn fast.
No it isnt. I ran sub 8 min miles all through elementary. Go look up the physical fitness test that was popular during the 90s.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:17 pm to LSUlove
quote:I understand. The goal should be to get them to be reasonably thoughtful about it so they can make good choices when they are older.
More fulfilling meaning that it is a diet (not in the lose weight kind of way) that they can sustain. Many of my child's friends, and our friends for that matter, don't eat like we do (for the most part healthy). When my kids visit friends and they consume junk food that the parents allow them to eat, they then come home and are limited. It is difficult enough reasoning with them as to why Johnny's parents let him have Little Debbies and we don't. I want them to be able to have a diet they can live with and not feel limited or too envious of their friends (to the point they are hiding Twinkies in their bedroom
quote:Do they like ground beef? I can remember when I was a kid sometimes heating up a leftover hamburger in the morning and absolutely loving it. Maybe they would get tired of cold cuts...but would they like a burger?
Let's be honest, sugar tastes good. I would choose pop tarts over eggs and cold cuts for breakfast any day if there were no consequences. Bottom line, expecting a child to be eat carb free isn't realistic nor is it necessary.
quote:
Regarding saturated fat, I would think the many people with heart disease would agree that too much is a bad thing. While genetics play a large part, a diet high in saturated fat is not a healthy diet.
This is where I think you're entirely wrong. IMO, saturated fat is the very base building block of a healthy diet. Ingested saturated fat should have an overall positive impact on heart disease, if that's what you're worried about. The primary cause of heart disease is ingested carbohydrates.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:19 pm to lsu777
quote:Meh. I agree they are different probably in terms of resilience to poor diet. Not sure I buy the micro nutrition piece. I'd be shocked if a low carb kid on average was nutrient deficient. As I mentioned in another thread, it appears as if some of these "required" micro-nutrients (e.g. Vitamin C) are only required in a carb-rich body environment.
Kids are different than adults. They really need the micro nutrition fruits provide
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:20 pm to 3nOut
quote:No insult, but still not sure what you're saying.
Big Scrub, no insult meant here, hopefully just clarifying.
I grew up in BR, so I don't know how Austin I am. I see horrific dietary choices for both children and adults anywhere I go. I would say the average person I know STILL believes OJ is good for you.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:22 pm to LSUfan20005
quote:This is sort of a circular statement that doesn't make much sense to me. I define quality and nutrition - at least in part - by the metabolic profile of the foods. I guess I'm just never ever going to consider, say, a bagel to be "quality" or "nutritious". It's junk food.
I consider food quality and nutrition more important than macros for kids.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
I was trying to politely call you a hippie.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
But sweet potatoes, root veggies, berries, and plenty of other paleo friendly carbs are.
Getting a kid fed well enough to grow and get through a day of school on a low carb diet requires a special kid. Do you have kids?
Mine love eggs, sardines, and avocados - but depriving them of 30% carbs is asking for trouble
Getting a kid fed well enough to grow and get through a day of school on a low carb diet requires a special kid. Do you have kids?
Mine love eggs, sardines, and avocados - but depriving them of 30% carbs is asking for trouble
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:55 pm to LSUfan20005
quote:Yeah, no real disagreement here. I don't view them as particularly vital, but also just no big deal in general.
But sweet potatoes, root veggies, berries, and plenty of other paleo friendly carbs are.
quote:
Getting a kid fed well enough to grow and get through a day of school on a low carb diet requires a special kid. Do you have kids?
Mine love eggs, sardines, and avocados - but depriving them of 30% carbs is asking for trouble
I've got a boatload of grandkids. I agree that they like sugar. I don't agree that low carb deprives them or really creates trouble. Some of them actually like the cauliflower crust pizza better than regular pizza! They also never seem to get tired of my "hamburger pile" (for any meal) - here's the recipe:
One cast iron pan with butter
Bacon slices (cut into small pieces)
Ground beef
Cheese
To serve: spoon out heaping pile on plate.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 6:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Some of them actually like the cauliflower crust pizza better than regular pizza!
I'm not trying to be an a-hole, but maybe they just think that papa likes it so that's what they eat. I'm not saying they don't like all the stuff you've listed, but youve made a long list of stuff they absolutely love while not really listing the "bad stuff" they'd rather have.
I'm not saying they don't like that stuff, but who really likes cauliflower more than real pizza?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 12:09 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:I want to be very clear - they (like almost all Americans) are addicted to sugar. If their parents weren't parenting, they would likely eat an all-carb diet.
I'm not trying to be an a-hole, but maybe they just think that papa likes it so that's what they eat. I'm not saying they don't like all the stuff you've listed, but youve made a long list of stuff they absolutely love while not really listing the "bad stuff" they'd rather have.
quote:
I'm not saying they don't like that stuff, but who really likes cauliflower more than real pizza?
I've gotten to where I really just don't like the crust of "real" pizza. You should try these crusts. They have cheese and spices cooked in. They crisp up very nicely. I happen to love cauliflower, but I would say the taste is not identifiable as cauliflower.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 12:45 am to Big Scrub TX
It's amazing how many downvotes your post got. It is going to take awhile for people to get it.
You are correct:
Peanuts have a bunch of omega 6 polyunsaturated fat and are pretty high carb.
Apart from berries, there isn't much good listed in the supposed "low sugar" breakfast.
Berries (black/rasp, then straw then blueberries, from a sugar perspective) in moderation are fine. I do very much believe in micronutrients' importance and berries have some good stuff at low GL.
The pancakes and bananas not so much. There are better potassium sources than bananas (e.g.s, avocado and Brazil nuts. salmon). And they are sugar bombs. The idea that just because a fruit gross in the world we should all eat a bunch of it is absurd.
I digress.
You are correct:
Peanuts have a bunch of omega 6 polyunsaturated fat and are pretty high carb.
Apart from berries, there isn't much good listed in the supposed "low sugar" breakfast.
Berries (black/rasp, then straw then blueberries, from a sugar perspective) in moderation are fine. I do very much believe in micronutrients' importance and berries have some good stuff at low GL.
The pancakes and bananas not so much. There are better potassium sources than bananas (e.g.s, avocado and Brazil nuts. salmon). And they are sugar bombs. The idea that just because a fruit gross in the world we should all eat a bunch of it is absurd.
I digress.
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