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re: Keto Guide
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:51 pm to bawbarn
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:51 pm to bawbarn
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What happens when you start eating carbs again?
Ketosis is naturally diuretic, so your first 5-10 pounds of loss is typically a bunch of water. When you eat carbs again, you will store that water again first and likely gain 5-10 pounds back. After that, you should be able to maintain that weight as long as you're eating at maintenance level calories.
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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At the end of the day it's about how many calories you consume and how many you burn.
This is 100% false and the kind of thinking that has the population buying shitty processed "low fat" "low calorie" food while obesity rates continue to rise.
ETA: OP, the ketogenic forums are another place for information.
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This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/17 at 10:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
So John Yudkin's study had 1560 calories in his subjects, and they were fine. Yet Keys fed them 1570 calories and they became skin and bones on a semi-stsarvation diet...yet all calories are the same.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 11:23 pm to NotoriousFSU
I’m very interested in trying the diet mainly for the mental aspect. Can anyone attest to whether it actually helps with mental clarity and overall energy?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:45 am to bawbarn
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What happens when you start eating carbs again?
I go over my normal keto carb level pretty often. I just don't crave them. We have lots of carb substitutes that we've perfected. And when I do carb binge, I save it for good stuff. It has been an easy adjustment because I love fatty, salty foods.
I don't know what would happen if I went back to my old carb intake. I ate whatever i wanted with little clue about nutrition for 30+ years. I was skinny until I hit 32 or so. I gained around 50lbs from age 23 to 33.
I got more active and counted calories and still was overweight. I mean, I'm 6' and maxed out at 220, but that's overweight unless really jacked (I wasn't).
It took me two years to just adapt to high-fat low-carb and to really learn how to do it right, with the right fats and choosing healthy foods generally.
Now I don't even think about it unless I'm trying to tweak and improve (e.g., I'm on a serious omega3 mission right now). I don't count calories or macros even any more. I range from 165 to 180 depending on beer, my workout routine (although during a few months of no workout, I weighed the least--weight is about diet and sleep more than exercise), holidays etc. But I'm 100% steady in that range, and I'm now into my 40s.
My triglyceride to HDL is exactly 1:1. Blood pressure normal. Resting heart rate stays in low 50s.
I've never been so certain about anything nutritionally as I am about high fat (good and in right ratios) low-carb. I run half marathons, ski, bike, backpack, paddle swim, and am training for a tri. I truly believe high-fat, low-carb should be the starting point, whether you get or stay in keto or not.
ETA: to add to some recs search YouTube for some recent Stephen Phinney lectures. He is one of my favorites and is a legit scientist and MD.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:39 pm to McLemore
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My triglyceride to HDL is exactly 1:1. Blood pressure normal. Resting heart rate stays in low 50s.
Yeah, but how much salt do you use?
/s 1:1 is great
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:15 pm to NotoriousFSU
Passive aggressive much?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:20 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
quote:
This is 100% false and the kind of thinking that has the population buying shitty processed "low fat" "low calorie" food while obesity rates continue to rise.
100% correct.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 6:35 am to NotoriousFSU
I have heard good reviews about keto.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:48 am to Rev1897
We like Carb Nite. Check out the book. You get one night a week to eat healthy carbs (if you treat this night like a free for all, it won’t work). It kinda jumpstarts you every week. My husband is down 40lbs since late August and I’m down almost 30.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:06 am to lsu777
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CICO is all that matters when it comes to weight loss
Agreed to an extent, however it does not mean that it is the most efficient. Certain foods will slow down the process.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:02 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
oh i agree, certain foods cause hunger some blunt hunger, some cause inflammation etc. but in the end fat loss is from one thing, burning more than you take in. period.
and simply put protein is the most efficient macro as you get a pretty good thermic effect of food (TEF) from it, using up to 40% of the calories just for digestion, so the calories are skewed some. Also protein is the hardest macro to store as fat, carbs the second hardest and fat by far the easiest to store as fat. That's why when in a surplus its best to keep protein extremely high and fat decently low and to time your carbs.
CICO isnt the whole story but you cant be in a surplus and lose weight, doesnt work like that. CICO is about 95% of the story though.
and simply put protein is the most efficient macro as you get a pretty good thermic effect of food (TEF) from it, using up to 40% of the calories just for digestion, so the calories are skewed some. Also protein is the hardest macro to store as fat, carbs the second hardest and fat by far the easiest to store as fat. That's why when in a surplus its best to keep protein extremely high and fat decently low and to time your carbs.
CICO isnt the whole story but you cant be in a surplus and lose weight, doesnt work like that. CICO is about 95% of the story though.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:57 pm to Captain Crackysack
quote:Just read this: The Big Fat Surprise It will answer essentially every question you have. the TL;DR answer to your question is that, counter to the orthodoxy you have been pummeled with your entire life, ingested fat/cholesterol has little to no bearing on things like arterial cholesterol and fatty liver. Sugar/carbs causes those conditions.
Any material on the justification for high fat? I just can't seem to wrap my brain around how eating bacon and dousing everything in olive oil or butter can be deemed healthy
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:32 pm to lsu777
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yet the twinkie diet works
He didn't only eat twinkies. He ate other foods as well in his posted food blog. He also had, protein shakes, onion rings, steak, broccoli, baby carrots, sesame chicken, egg rolls, chicken nachos. So no, he was not only eating twinkies. Now, I've never stated that eating a deficit doesn't work, I only stated it doesn't paint the whole story. But lets look at that "twinkie diet" in numbers 173 grams of carbs - compared to the avg of 225-310
1500 calories - avg consumed is what...2500?
Yeah, he will lose weight.
If you are going to trot that out, then how do you explain the Smash the Fat guy who overate tons of food, 5,000 calories , a day for 21 days on a high fat diet? He only gained 2.8lbs from an expected 16lbs and lost 3 cm at the waist.
He also went and performed a high carb diet of similar, 5k calories, a day and gained 15.6lbs (more in line of what to expect). He also performed a vegan 5k diet. He gained roughly 10lbs, more in line with what was expected.
CICO isn't 95% of the whole story. If it was 95% of it, then these numbers would be more in tune of the caloric formula.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:26 am to lsu777
Alright, so today I'm restarting the Ketogenic diet after about 6 months off (1st attempt at keto). During the first go round I didn't use any keto supplements or ketone level measurings, but this time I'm considering taking Keto OS to help get into ketosis quicker, and then using Ketone Level Detectors to track my ketones. Any advice for the first month or so? I didn't experience any significant keto flu during the first trial, nor did I measure my ketones level. Hoping to improve on my first attempt, and take a more serious approach so as to stay in ketosis for a longer duration. Thank 
Posted on 12/29/17 at 11:39 am to NotoriousFSU
How much are you trying to lose?
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:09 pm to zatetic
At 195 as of this morning. I'm 6'1 so I'm pretty lean as is, but would like to "cut" some excess fat and keep as much muscle/strength as possible. I suppose I'd like to get down to 180ish then start to bulk up again. Will probably stay on keto for 2-4 months
Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:41 pm to NotoriousFSU
I was just going to mention the potassium to help the liver process fat if you were trying to lose a bunch of weight.
Sounds like you are in pretty good shape already. I don't know what advice would really be helpful. You can eat a near infinite amount of spinach since the fiber cancels out most the carbs. I use oil & vinegar so I have no problems with salad dressing. If you prefer a particular salad dressing, some are made with sugars and some are made with fats, so you can still find some brands that mesh with ketosis. Make sure you are drinking enough water, but I'm sure you do that already.
There really isn't too much to ketosis. Aim for as few carbs as you can and eat more fat than protein is the gist.
If you are unsure of fats or what have you, Dr. Eric Berg has a lot of videos breaking down many subjects. Like butter being ridiculously healthy and nutritious.
Sounds like you are in pretty good shape already
. I don't know what advice would really be helpful. You can eat a near infinite amount of spinach since the fiber cancels out most the carbs. I use oil & vinegar so I have no problems with salad dressing. If you prefer a particular salad dressing, some are made with sugars and some are made with fats, so you can still find some brands that mesh with ketosis. Make sure you are drinking enough water, but I'm sure you do that already. There really isn't too much to ketosis. Aim for as few carbs as you can and eat more fat than protein is the gist.
If you are unsure of fats or what have you, Dr. Eric Berg has a lot of videos breaking down many subjects. Like butter being ridiculously healthy and nutritious.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:44 pm to zatetic
quote:Be very careful with this. Spinach is the food highest in oxalates, and you could very easily develop kidney stones by over-consuming it.
You can eat a near infinite amount of spinach
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