Is there a pre similar to OG Jack3d?

"Arez" is a good one. Look for one that contains DMAA.

The first and only time I took 3 full scoops of Jack3d circa 2010, drove to the gym, did one warm up set of deads, felt like my heart was going to explode, ran to the LA Fitness men’s room and shite like the god Thor without a let up for 5 full minutes. The noises, volume and sheer force that came out of my arse were mind mindboggling. Dropped more water weight in 5 minutes than taking two weeks of Lasix and Clen. I never touched that shite again. However, you can look up some home-brews that are effective if caffeine and Bronkaid run their course.

Jackd up is an exact replica. Dmaa is about to go by by though

Stimul8.

Almost killed me and a few Univ strength coaches.

I'm using Mr Hyde right now but nothing not even the original Jack3d compares to the original Craze, that stuff was legit.

Mesomorph is definitely what you are looking for, but like the others said basically anything with DMAA will do the trick.

I stacked 3/4 scoop Mr Hype with 3/4 scoop Dr Jekyll...it was a nice combo. Pre-JYM is decent. I thought Nitraflex was ok last time I had it, too. I just got Mesomorph and while it has DMAA, it's NOTHING like old school Jack3d. I'm pretty stim-tolerant, though.

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I got like 0 response from that. Now, I only took 1 scoop of it the entire time. I then went to GX7 and was doing 1 scoop, nice workout but nothing major. I then said screw it, dumped 2 in there and damn. I was terminator sending weights to barbell Valhalla.

I know but the only sided effects I ever experienced were great workouts. How did the creators not get in any legal trouble because I'm pretty sure they produced a Craze 2.0?

Thanks for the laugh there.

My experience with Jack D back in the days was it felt like my skin was crawling or tingling. I liked it though and had some good workouts and good pumps with it.