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AUjim
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Same boat dude.

If you need to be in a weight loss season, prob best to forget about the beer.

Topo Chico (lime) and bourbon. Delightful.


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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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Like I said, if I can find a beer that I can occasionally have and it's not awful for me... I want to find it.


How about 1 beer instead of 3? That’s sustainable.
3 beers out of habit while watching the game is not occasionally.


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northshorebamaman
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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Like I said, if I can find a beer that I can occasionally have and it's not awful for me... I want to find it.
If you actually mean occasionally (as in a couple once or twice a month) then drink whatever you want. If you actually mean every week or once or twice a week then IDK.

It's doable once you're 'maintaining', but, personally, I wasn't able to reach my goals while drinking alcohol regularly. If you find a hack for that you'll be a rich man.



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EyeOfTheFeTiger
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
If it’s the taste of beer that you’re craving then I’m not sure I can help but if you’re looking for just an alcoholic beverage to drink while watching TV, I’ve been making a yeti of double shot of vodka with a seltzer and lime juice. Only calories are from the vodka. Has helped me cut down on alcohol calories. If I drink 2-3 of those on the weekend it’s a good bit less calories than when I used to crush 10-12 beers in a day.


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Hulkklogan
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
If you're worried about carbs/blood sugar, then you probably should avoid beer and stick to some liquor from time to time.


Even if you aren't worried about the carb intake, beer in general is calorie dense and should be limited to 1-2 beers/week. If you're tracking calories meticulously maybe you can squeeze one or two more in a week, but it becomes hardly worth it IMO, and sticking to liquor is the way to go (assuming you don't want to drop alcohol altogether)

You can drink 1.5oz of bourbon for roughly the same calories as a Bud Light, but of course you'll get a quicker buzz off of that bourbon.



If you want the taste of an IPA without the calories or alcohol, the new HopTea line is pretty awesome. You can find 'em at whole foods. Works pretty well to scratch the IPA itch.

HopTea
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whiskey over ice
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
I’ve just started plugging vodka soaked tampons. All the benefits of alcohol, none of the calories.


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Havoc
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
I feel your pain for sure.

I find that a Corona Premium with a squeeze of lime and couple shakes of salt scratches the itch pretty well.

More breweries are starting to put out low cal/carb craft beers. Haven’t tried any yet though.


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efrad
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Sugar/carbs heavily affect the liver -- as does alcohol obviously. Even if you get a zero-carb alcoholic drink, you should also factor in that alcohol itself is still not great for your current health.
Try to keep it to a real minimum

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I know Mic Ultra has low carbs but it tastes like piss water and if that’s only choice, I’ll just have ti give up beer for now!


Mic Amber is just slightly higher than Mic Ultra in net carbs and I like the taste a lot better than Mic Ultra which has that pisswater taste to me. But I will only have 1-2 beers a month at most anyway
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bigbuckdj
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Man I went through this, I swapped from heavy beers to mich ultra. Then I stalled and quit those and started losing again. Now when I want an alcoholic beverage I make some Titos and crystal light. I’ve lost 35 pounds since February and I’m still losing 1-2 pounds a week feeling good. It’ll be worth it to drop them. Like someone else said, in ten days you’ll adjust and forget about them.


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inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
There are some benefits to moderate drinking (e.g., cardiovascular, bone health, psychological). Emphasis on moderate. It has also been shown to lower risk of diabetes.


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re: Goodbye IPAs??
All of the benefits are short-term. All of the problems are chronic.


efrad
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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There are some benefits to moderate drinking (e.g., cardiovascular, bone health, psychological). Emphasis on moderate. It has also been shown to lower risk of diabetes.


Yeah, "moderate" because no one knows the mechanisms for these supposed benefits (only shown in associative studies) and we know in large amounts it's definitely bad.

The reality is that newer studies of alcohol and its effects demonstrate unequivocally that alcohol is bad for you. I'm not saying one can never enjoy a drink, but supposed health benefits are not part of the equation.


inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Ah, I see you made an interpretation of "chronic" use instead of "moderate" use. Interesting you would do that when I used the word moderate twice, emphasized it, and italicized the second use. Maybe I should have bolded it? Moderate. All caps? MODERATE. Both? MODERATE. Does that convey moderation as opposed to chronic in your mind?


inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
What is with the "interpretatione ad absurdum" on this? The use of the word moderate is a clear indication of "not large amounts".

Alcohol use: Weighing risks and benefits

The benefits for bone health are because of the high amount of bioavailable silica in some beers like IPA. Like with resveratrol in wine, there are other ways to get that without consuming alcohol. But it's an option that can be beneficial in moderation.


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efrad
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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Ah, I see you made an interpretation of "chronic" use instead of "moderate" use. Interesting you would do that when I used the word moderate twice, emphasized it, and italicized the second use. Maybe I should have bolded it? Moderate. All caps? MODERATE. Both? MODERATE. Does that convey moderation as opposed to chronic in your mind?



You definitely seem well. You this drunk on a Wednesday night?

You also didn't understand what he said. With moderate use, benefits are short-term and problems are chronic. Repeat, when the USAGE is MODERATE, the PROBLEMS can be CHRONIC.

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The use of the word moderate is a clear indication of "not large amounts".


I didn't conflate the two. Reread my post again this time with reading comprehension turned on. I made two points:
- With moderate use, the supposed benefits are associative at best
- We know for sure large amounts are bad
Which essentially means the evidence doesn't bode well for long-term benefits even with so-called "moderate" use.

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Alcohol use: Weighing risks and benefits


That webpage just cites other webpages. Only 3 actual studies are linked in the citations and they're all cohort studies. Which means there may be some sort of link but nothing more than a correlation. It means more research needs to be done to find a potential mechanism for a link.

Again, not saying you should stop drinking entirely. Just don't delude yourself that you're getting health benefits out of it


bengalman
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Vodka and rum on the rocks!


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inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
That entire post is awful.

I'll come back later and address each stupid attempt at a point, but first I'm going to reiterate the part of my previous post that you "skipped".

Foods High in Silica

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Beer has more silica per portion than any other food or beverage. Silica is obtained during the brewing process through a hot mashing technique and is most present in lagers.


WebMD is mistaken. Although lagers are a good source of Silica, it's most present in IPA.

I've noticed this is something that some people have problems with. Around the time when COVID first started spreading, I worked with a guy at a hospital who was knowledgeable about nutrition basics. We talked about a lot of nutrition topics, and one day I brought up this benefit to drinking beer. Much like yourself, he made a fool of himself by trying to be a smartass in his state of ignorance. He attempted a quip about people not getting any benefits from "sand".

By the way, what you really want for the benefits for bone health is the trifecta of Silica, Vitamin D, and Magnesium.

So why did WebMD put beer at #7? My guess is that they're trying to downplay this beneficial aspect because it can be so devastatingly addictive for some people. I just don't have that addictive inclination. Maybe I'm lucky or it's something about will, but I never have the desire to past a few drinks. And sometimes I don't drink at all. The last time I had a beer was about four months ago.

Red wine and resveratrol


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inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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This is like going through a bag of trash...

Saying that moderate drinking leads to "chronic" problems is absurd. To say it without even attempting to back up the claim??? Are you trying to troll?
(Right here I'll preempt another possible absurd interpretation or troll -- whatever this is. Moderate drinking does not necessarily mean everyday drinking. I know some people do that. And I don't necessarily see a problem with the "one or two a night" schedule. But I don't personally do it.)

quote:

bode


Why would I care about your opinion on boding at all?

Alcohol: Balancing Risks and Benefits

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More than 100 prospective studies show an inverse association between light to moderate drinking and risk of heart attack, ischemic (clot-caused) stroke, peripheral vascular disease, sudden cardiac death, and death from all cardiac causes.

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The effect is fairly consistent, corresponding to a 25-40% reduction in risk.
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Moderate amounts of alcohol raise levels of high-density lipoprotein (HDL, or "good" cholesterol)

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Moderate alcohol consumption has also been linked with beneficial changes ranging from better sensitivity to insulin to improvements in factors that influence blood clotting, such as tissue type plasminogen activator, fibrinogen, clotting factor VII,
and von Willebrand Factor. Such changes would tend to prevent the formation of small blood clots that can block arteries in the heart, neck, and brain,
the ultimate cause of many heart attacks and the most common kind of stroke.


As a side note, researchers have found high levels of VWF in COVID patients. That's evidently the reason for "COVID clotting".


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inadaze
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
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conflate


I didn't say you conflated them. But you did jump to "large amounts" when I clearly set the context of moderation. Implicit in the extra emphasis of "moderate" are the problems that come with "large amounts" of drinking. It was an unnecessary and extreme absurdity to jump to.


Mo Jeaux
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re: Goodbye IPAs??
Man, you really like drinking.


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