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re: Dairy Free / Near Dairy Free
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:35 pm to LSUA 75
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:35 pm to LSUA 75
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there is a couple up the road that think my wife and I are full of shite the way we eat.They eat lots of beef and dairy,we don’t.They eat lots of vegetable and beans but they season them with lots of sausage,bacon,ham and salt pork.My wife doesn’t.They are exactly our age,she had breast cancer and he has occasional episodes of kidney stones.We haven’t.They are both on blood pressure,cholesterol and anti-arrhythmic medications(he has atrial fib,she has problems with tachycardia).
Well that solves it, meat is bad.
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:29 pm to LSUA 75
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American Heart Association and American Cancer Society.
Found two issues.
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FOOD-100+ DOCTORS CAN’T BE WRONG by Castle &Goodman.It is biased towards vegetarianism which is ok in my opinion
I think you CAN make yourself eat more or less healthfully w vegan/vegetarian, and it's better than the SAD, but why? It takes a lot of supplementation and/or algae. Lol.
Agree re nutrition debates. But I read a LOT of studies--as in the original source pubs, not summaries by bloggers, reporters etc.--and there is so much garbage epidemiology out there and more importantly perhaps these days decent epidemiology (and rodent studies) that is distorted into something it was never intended to be--a starting place for deeper, controlled studies. Those are just really hard to do on humans.
Downvoter care to offer some good evidence?
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:48 pm to Athos
quote:It's true that some people can't handle dairy, but that's usually the lactose. If you stick to butter and heavy cream (half and half might be OK) + full fat cheeses, most should be OK.
Dairy Free / Near Dairy Free
Anyone gone down this path? After a truly wretched experience on the toilet after eating pizza two-ish weeks ago (homemade, everything was fresh) I decided to massively cut back, especially with cheese. Only cheese I’ve had since is parm. No yogurt either. Only an occasional glass of milk. Gut feels better. Hasn’t been long enough to feel any other differences though.
Anyone else ditched the cow juice and have any positive effects?
I used to get bad IBS attacks if I ate pizza. I was convinced for years it was the "grease" in the pepperoni and cheese. Ever since I went low carb, I've realized it was likely the crust.
I eat an absurd amount of butter and cheese. And I make anything that calls for water or milk with heavy cream. I've never felt better.
I hope everyone here can find what works for them, but I don't need a study to tell me that meat is perfectly safe. 150 years ago, heart disease didn't even exist for Americans - nor did unseasonal vegetables and fruits available year round. They ate meat and butter - and shite tons of it. And they were healthy.
I don't begrudge anyone not wanting to eat factory meat out of ethical concerns. However, I have been convinced that the "antibiotics" and "hormones" bugbears aren't underpinned by science. Here's an episode from Skeptoid - a really short podcast was attempts to investigate most pop claims with a skeptical eye:
LINK
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
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150 years ago, heart disease didn't even exist for Americans - nor did unseasonal vegetables and fruits available year round
I don't disagree with what you said, but this as support has never done it for me. 150 years ago people didn't know why people died. They just "got sick" and died, so that evidence and things like cavemen didn't have disease so eat paleo is kind of BS in my opinion.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:45 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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. 150 years ago people didn't know why people died
But 150 years later we have some good research on why people died 150 years ago.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:57 pm to McLemore
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But 150 years later we have some good research on why people died 150 years ago
Sure, I'm just not really compelled by evidence of people long dead that lived vastly different lives when we can study people that are in current times living current lives. Maybe hunting gathering is an infinitely better way to live, but we aren't going back to that so there's really no point in wasting a bunch of time and resources in figuring it out.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I'm with you mostly. Too tired to expound. Tomorrow.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:I hear you, but well into the 1900s, heart disease as we've come to expect merely as a byproduct of common existence simply did not exist in the American population. And it's not an artifact of lower life expectancy at the time - I'm talking about middle-aged to elderly Americans (of which there were tens of millions) at the time: heart disease (and diabetes also) really just barely existed.
I don't disagree with what you said, but this as support has never done it for me. 150 years ago people didn't know why people died. They just "got sick" and died, so that evidence and things like cavemen didn't have disease so eat paleo is kind of BS in my opinion.
quote:I don't really follow paleo, but I think the logic is sound. It isn't that they "didn't have disease" - it's that we know the conditions in which their bodies evolved.
things like cavemen didn't have disease so eat paleo is kind of BS in my opinion.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:23 am to LSUA 75
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I don’t know why I would ever get into another of these threads about diet,it’s a never ending claim-counterclaim scenario.Like trying to argue religion or politics.
This is rich, but par for the course for your type. Starts off by spewing propaganda, but then declares that any discussion of that propaganda is beneath them, so they do not deign to address any further statements.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:47 am to Mo Jeaux
There's truth to what he's saying about studies to support almost any position, though. The more I learn about nutrition the clearer it becomes that an uncomfortable amount of it requires a leap of faith. That's just the natural byproduct of competing interests so you just have to play around until you find what works for you.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:47 am to northshorebamaman
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There's truth to what he's saying about studies to support almost any position, though. The more I learn about nutrition the clearer it becomes that an uncomfortable amount of it requires a leap of faith. That's just the natural byproduct of competing interests so you just have to play around until you find what works for you.
That's fine, but again, if you're going to spout your talking points (particularly asinine ones), expect some push back. Feigning innocence and then acting as if the discussion is beneath you, post-spouting your talking points is even worse.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:53 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:There's perhaps epidemiological studies that support any position. Actual hard science is fairly clear.
There's truth to what he's saying about studies to support almost any position, though. The more I learn about nutrition the clearer it becomes that an uncomfortable amount of it requires a leap of faith. That's just the natural byproduct of competing interests so you just have to play around until you find what works for you.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:13 pm to Mo Jeaux
I think there are several reasons for the lack of heart disease 150 years ago.They ate a lot of beef back then but it wasn’t the same beef eaten now.Think of the longhorn cattle sent to market.They are a naturally lean species and I’m sure they were even more so after walking 100’s of miles to market.They were placed in feedlots but I doubt they were fed the copious amounts of corn that is standard today.Certainly they didn’t receive the hormones and antibiotics they do today.
People that lived on the farm and slaughtered their own steers were eating predominately grass fed beef.My grandpa and his neighbors would put a steer in a corral and feed them some corn for a few days but not a lot,they didn’t have it.They were still picking corn by hand in those days.
For quite a few years now cattle are selectively bred for a high percentage of fat marbled muscle.Then they go to feedlots where they gorge on corn.The meat is tender and tastes very good.Healthy-not so much.
Probably,a larger factor is the astronomical increase in the amount of sugar in the American diet.That and highly refined grains have led to the obesity epidemic,type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome associated with heart disease and cancer.
Of course,there are studies that show sugar has nothing to do with obesity,rather it is a lack of exercise.Anyone remember the study done at LSU Pennington Center that came to that conclusion-study was paid for by Coca-Cola.
People that lived on the farm and slaughtered their own steers were eating predominately grass fed beef.My grandpa and his neighbors would put a steer in a corral and feed them some corn for a few days but not a lot,they didn’t have it.They were still picking corn by hand in those days.
For quite a few years now cattle are selectively bred for a high percentage of fat marbled muscle.Then they go to feedlots where they gorge on corn.The meat is tender and tastes very good.Healthy-not so much.
Probably,a larger factor is the astronomical increase in the amount of sugar in the American diet.That and highly refined grains have led to the obesity epidemic,type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome associated with heart disease and cancer.
Of course,there are studies that show sugar has nothing to do with obesity,rather it is a lack of exercise.Anyone remember the study done at LSU Pennington Center that came to that conclusion-study was paid for by Coca-Cola.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:45 pm to LSUA 75
quote:This is reasonably fair. Of course, a consumer can choose any amount of leanness he would like. I haven't seen anyone make those distinctions in the popular media hysteria over beef.
I think there are several reasons for the lack of heart disease 150 years ago.They ate a lot of beef back then but it wasn’t the same beef eaten now.Think of the longhorn cattle sent to market.They are a naturally lean species and I’m sure they were even more so after walking 100’s of miles to market.They were placed in feedlots but I doubt they were fed the copious amounts of corn that is standard today.Certainly they didn’t receive the hormones and antibiotics they do today.
People that lived on the farm and slaughtered their own steers were eating predominately grass fed beef.My grandpa and his neighbors would put a steer in a corral and feed them some corn for a few days but not a lot,they didn’t have it.They were still picking corn by hand in those days.
For quite a few years now cattle are selectively bred for a high percentage of fat marbled muscle.Then they go to feedlots where they gorge on corn.The meat is tender and tastes very good.Healthy-not so much.
However, there is simply no evidence that fats found in meats are bad for you. If anything, all-cause mortality is positively associated with saturated fat consumption.
quote:Yes, it seems rather obvious. The radical increase in sugar consumption in the past 100 years is staggering. And the real ramp up in obesity and metabolic disorder tracks almost perfectly with the government codifying the absurd "food pyramid" in the 70s with the base containing 11 servings of grains/carbs.
Probably,a larger factor is the astronomical increase in the amount of sugar in the American diet.That and highly refined grains have led to the obesity epidemic,type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome associated with heart disease and cancer.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
Based on research by Susan Burkett.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:25 am to Athos
I try to avoid dairy whenever possible.
For me the issue I have with it is the hormone side of things. Dairy products contain estrogen and cheese is basically a super concentrated version of milk with higher levels of estrogen.
It's very difficult when I'm eating out, but relatively easy at home. Dairy free ice cream isn't half bad, either.
For me the issue I have with it is the hormone side of things. Dairy products contain estrogen and cheese is basically a super concentrated version of milk with higher levels of estrogen.
It's very difficult when I'm eating out, but relatively easy at home. Dairy free ice cream isn't half bad, either.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:25 am to Junky
Damn, so I've been wrong on Wild Salmon being better for you after all these years?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:05 pm to TigeRoots
No you weren’t wrong,wild salmon is better due to the high levels of omega3 fatty acids.It is possible to od on omega 3 fatty acids but I doubt one could eat enough salmon to cause any problems.
About the only way to get too much omega 3 fatty acids would be taking an excessive number of fish oil capsules or take too much cod liver oil.
About the only way to get too much omega 3 fatty acids would be taking an excessive number of fish oil capsules or take too much cod liver oil.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:27 pm to Athos
It makes a huge difference for me. I'm not technically lactose intolerant, but when I quit drinking milk, I don't have to take medicine for my digestion every day.
Try goat milk, it's pretty awesome once you get used to it
Try goat milk, it's pretty awesome once you get used to it
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:45 am to TigeRoots
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Damn, so I've been wrong on Wild Salmon being better for you after all these years?
Not really. From what I've read, only fairly recently have salmon farming practices improved to close the gap. It has been awhile since I read up on this though.
And re: ODing on fish oil. I've been pushing the limit (whatever that may be) as part of my effort to relieve my lower back issue (which appears related to tight hams/weak glutes + overuse injuries from summer marathon and other running + being 45 and toting around a toddler), and all systems are still go. I take about 6000 mg a day.
A few things to keep in mind when analyzing Omega 3s: 1) the fat in grass fed beef is still mostly saturated and monounsaturated, so, it isn't a huge deal either way re Omegas (which of course are all polyunsaturated fatty acids), 2) plant sources of Omega 3 are almost completely unabsorbed [just putting it crudely, without getting into DHA/EPA processes, etc] by humans (algae appears to be an exception), and 3) Omega 3 enriched eggs are a good source of absorbable Omega 3s.
Eta, since we're WAY off-topic anyway, back just randomly stopped hurting two days ago, after nearly 10 months of consistent dull pain. Woohooo.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:39 am
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