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re: Baws that just lift, how and why?
Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You do conditioning. There's a bunch of dudes on this site and in gyms that go do a couple sets of a compound lift and two supersets and bounce.
I get your overall point, but these guys are not the ones you need to be upset about. You can get in great shape doing one of the mainstream programs with one compound lift each workout and smartly programmed accessory work, including supersets.
Most of the kinda, but really that strong and not fit guys I've seen in the gym are doing bodybuilding-style split workouts and doing bicep curls in the squat rack three times a week.
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Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:48 am to Mingo Was His NameO
My answer is simple:
I am burned out on it. Until I was 24 I did more cardio than most do in a lifetime. However, I am still very active with my kids sports and running around with them. My oldest has now picked up tennis too so we hit around often. When I’m in the gym it’s only lifting, however I only take 30-45 seconds between sets(currently doing dogg crapp). My HR often gets above 115
For shits and giggles, I ran the Easter 10k 2 years ago. Ran it in just over 47 minutes. That’s without doing a cardio workout in over 8 years at the time
I am burned out on it. Until I was 24 I did more cardio than most do in a lifetime. However, I am still very active with my kids sports and running around with them. My oldest has now picked up tennis too so we hit around often. When I’m in the gym it’s only lifting, however I only take 30-45 seconds between sets(currently doing dogg crapp). My HR often gets above 115
For shits and giggles, I ran the Easter 10k 2 years ago. Ran it in just over 47 minutes. That’s without doing a cardio workout in over 8 years at the time
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You don't use your lactate threshold energy system in the 5-7 minute range in real life? That is arguably one of the most important things to be efficient at, a sustained effort in a medium time domain.
when would you do that?
baseball...its a sprint and rest
football..same
basketball....a little more in a pick up game but its still mostly sprint...active rest...sprint
and i dont play sports in life anymore, just play with my kids, so when am i ever going to do something for 5-7 min?
bike riding....we either are on pretty much all out sprint cause we are racing or we are a slow cruise. I literally never ever do anything in normal life but lift, sprint, walk in some form are fashion. ever
and i disagree...a mile is a slow jog. even an 8min pace is a jog.
and rest of my post is not built on a false premise. I think your is.
like im really confused when you are doing slow running around in real life.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:58 am to lsupride87
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I am burned out on it. Until I was 24 I did more cardio than most do in a lifetime
honestly this is me. i did so much of it in highschool and in the military i just dont like it and personally i feel its a huge waste of time.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:06 am to lsu777
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and i dont play sports in life anymore, just play with my kids, so when am i ever going to do something for 5-7 min?
If your house is on fire and you need to run back and forth in there
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and i disagree...a mile is a slow jog.
Because your medium time domain fitness and lactate threshold sucks. Which is the point.
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like im really confused when you are doing slow running around in real life.
Im not and I don't really train long aerobic energy systems.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:14 am to lsu777
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like im really confused when you are doing slow running around in real life.
It’s pouring rain and you are leaving Walmart. Your car is way in the back and you don’t want to run full speed because there are large puddles everywhere.
ETA: Also, you are walking into a gas station and someone does that deal where they hold the door open for you but you’re still too far away so it’s awkward and you have to do that little jog or it just seems rude.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:15 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If your house is on fire and you need to run back and forth in there
well i mean i guess its possible and also possible a pit bull could chase me for a mile, but neither are likely and in both cases my adrenaline would be pumping so hard i wouldnt notice any real drop off until after
and the fact you had to pull something like that as an example is exactly what i was talking about when i said i dont use it in my everyday life.
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Because your medium time domain fitness and lactate threshold sucks. Which is the point.
dude despite what you think, except for the very elite, a mile is a jog.
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Im not and I don't really train long aerobic energy systems.
than any real benifit you are getting could be had from just lifting.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:17 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If your house is on fire and you need to run back and forth in there
Why are you running back and forth if you aren't strong enough to carry anything out
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:22 am to lsu777
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well i mean i guess its possible and also possible a pit bull could chase me for a mile, but neither are likely and in both cases my adrenaline would be pumping so hard i wouldnt notice any real drop off until after
and the fact you had to pull something like that as an example is exactly what i was talking about when i said i dont use it in my everyday life.
You don't put 300 lbs on your back and squat it in everyday life either. Your premise eliminates the need for almost any kind of training.
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dude despite what you think, except for the very elite, a mile is a jog.
Most people, even the ones that lift are unhealthy unfortunately that's true.
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than any real benifit you are getting could be had from just lifting.
No it can't. You aren't going to increase you lactate threshold from supersetting rows and tricep push downs
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You don't put 300 lbs on your back and squat it in everyday life either. Your premise eliminates the need for almost any kind of training.
lot more likely that i will use my leg strength for something plus leg strength builds explosiveness and force production is a key component in top end speed and acceleration.
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Most people, even the ones that lift are unhealthy unfortunately that's true.
so stupid. thats like sayign you are not fit if you cant squat 300lbs. its a dumb take
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No it can't. You aren't going to increase you lactate threshold from supersetting rows and tricep push downs
no but you certainly can build great conditioning by combining a giant set of chins, press and hanging leg raises.
i agree that most powerlifters that are taking 5 min between sets and are 50lbs overweight are unhealthy. but the average guy on here doign PPSA isnt doing that.
like i said, 2 most imporant things for all cause mortality and anti aging when it comes to exercise is resistance training that focuses on progressive strength gains and walking. those are facts that have been proven by tons of studies.....
both of those items are the basis of the PPSA programs, so why the hell would i need to go run 1 mile to be considered fit?
honestly your bias is showing completely.
and for example, other than playing with my kids, all i have been doing is ppsa and walking as required for exercise and my blood pressure and resting heart rate are the best they have been since i was in my early 20s. To the point that now my resting heart rate is below 50 even after having an energy drink within an hour of taking it. Why would i need to do more to be considered fit?
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:09 pm to lsu777
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like i said, 2 most imporant things for all cause mortality and anti aging when it comes to exercise is resistance training that focuses on progressive strength gains and walking. those are facts that have been proven by tons of studies.....
Were not talking about that though. You are completely changing the subject.
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honestly your bias is showing completely.
That you should be well rounded amongst multiple energy systems and domains? Absolutely. Enjoy your 400lb bench and CPAP though.
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and for example, other than playing with my kids, all i have been doing is ppsa and walking as required for exercise and my blood pressure and resting heart rate are the best they have been since i was in my early 20s.
And you're fat.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You are completely changing the subject.
what is the point of being fit? to be able to move well and improve longevity/life style.
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That you should be well rounded amongst multiple energy systems and domains? Absolutely. Enjoy your 400lb bench and CPAP though.
not many natural guys are getting a 400lb bench without getting crazy fat. you dont need either to just be a lifter.
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And you're fat.
only and you and my definition of what fat is. just like you are small as frick.
but being fat has shite to do with burning 100 calories goign for a run and hell of a lot more to do with me eating too damn much.
ftr what is your tested body fat percentage? have you posted an inbody?
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:32 pm to lsu777
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but being fat has shite to do with burning 100 calories goign for a run
You keep repeating that as if that's what I said. It's not. A mile, which I used as my example, should be a threshold test, not an aerobic test. Other things that I would advocate for conditioning would be interval work, both straight monostructural such as rowing or echo bike intervals. Think tabata, work 1 to 1, etc. Interval works like work for 3 minutes rest 1:30 minutes 18 cal echo bike 12 bench press to train moving lactate out of the muscles. Or things like sled pushing or pulling.
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ftr what is your tested body fat percentage? have you posted an inbody?
Probably more than 12 but less than 15. Last time I got a dexa I was close to 16 but I'm a lot leaner now. I find if I get too lean my performance suffers. I like to stay just about where I'm at now, I am still making strength gains and my power output has increased, but so has my ability to hold that period over the 12-18 time domain.
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just like you are small as frick.
And I'm stronger than most everyone that posts on this board. And I can do more body weight pulling. And I can hold power output for longer than most of them too.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:41 pm to lsu777
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i do not use that energy system in real life. its about the least functional thing you could do. when in life are you going to need to do a long slow jog?
You can't think of an aerobic activity you do that lasts like 15-20 minutes?
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Probably more than 12 but less than 15. Last time I got a dexa I was close to 16 but I'm a lot leaner now. I find if I get too lean my performance suffers. I like to stay just about where I'm at now, I am still making strength gains and my power output has increased, but so has my ability to hold that period over the 12-18 time domain.
like i said, never posted anything
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And I'm stronger than most everyone that posts on this board. And I can do more body weight pulling. And I can hold power output for longer than most of them too.
maybe in relation to body weight, overall...you arent.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I did PPSA for over a year with some running on Saturdays and occasional weekdays. I needed a break and have been doing Ryan Fischer HIIB 100 this month. Definitely a nice change with some running/assault bike in corporates in.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:44 pm to lsu777
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like i said, never posted anything
You know how I train, don't get your feelings hurt now.
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maybe in relation to body weight, overall...you arent.
Overall, I am. I'd put my numbers up with most of this site (outside of back Squat, I suck at back Squat despite my effort) . 250 bench, 245 power clean, 20+ dead hang pullups, etc.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:46 pm to lsu777
Whoever keeps track of Health Board thread of the year candidates needs to bookmark this one.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 2:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You know how I train, don't get your feelings hurt now.
promise i dont have hurt feelings at all. i consider myself fat, you know that.
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Overall, I am. I'd put my numbers up with most of this site (outside of back Squat, I suck at back Squat despite my effort) . 250 bench, 245 power clean, 20+ dead hang pullups, etc.
power clean and pullups are good, all are good for your size
Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Do CrossFit and you can get cardio from lifting weights
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