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re: Any CrossFit gym owners here? How did you start your gym?
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:34 pm to TDcline
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:34 pm to TDcline
A chick i grew up with and her husband started one and have been sucussful enough that they opened a second location about 35mins west of my home town.
They lucked out bc all the crossfit gyms were a good 15mins away from my town which is crazy for how much stuff is in the dc area. Being the only show in a town in the suburbs of dc helped them big time. They first got people they knew to join and went from there.
But tons of these gyms fail. A gym about 30mins from where i live now is posting all its equipment on FB but the arse whip owner is asking for damn near full price on his rouge equipment
They lucked out bc all the crossfit gyms were a good 15mins away from my town which is crazy for how much stuff is in the dc area. Being the only show in a town in the suburbs of dc helped them big time. They first got people they knew to join and went from there.
But tons of these gyms fail. A gym about 30mins from where i live now is posting all its equipment on FB but the arse whip owner is asking for damn near full price on his rouge equipment
Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:30 pm to TDcline
Don't do it as a "side hustle."
A gym is hard to make work and harder to make any money on. If you're not ready to commit a significant amount of time and resources, it's not likely to go well.
A gym is hard to make work and harder to make any money on. If you're not ready to commit a significant amount of time and resources, it's not likely to go well.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If you have 100 members at $100/mont
The going rate for CF membership in big cities is much higher than $100. Yo are looking at $160-180 in the New Orleans area, and even higher in places with a higher cost of living.
Even in most small places you are looking at $120-130 minimum.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
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The going rate for CF membership in big cities is much higher than $100. Yo are looking at $160-180 in the New Orleans area, and even higher in places with a higher cost of living.
Even in most small places you are looking at $120-130 minimum
From everything he's posted, he lives in a small town, and even at, let's say, $135 a month there's still not a ton of money there.
If he's paying 1 or 2 people he's Not going to make money. If he does it all himself, he may could scratch out enough to live, but itd be stressful as hell.
And he has no real business plan or anything like that.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:58 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
It all comes down to a good business plan. And I mean you have to be true with your numbers.
I just got out of the gym business, was not crossfit but that should not mater. Its all membership based
X $0.00 to operate VS Y $0.00 of memberships. You need to be to get hard numbers on this, Believe me. I was not and suffered for a long 6 yrs, and still walked away with a large amount of $$ that I owe the bank. I would have loved to have read this before I made my 1st loan.
Not saying you cant do it because many people do, but if you looking for side cash, not planning on being there everyday yourself, walk away
I just got out of the gym business, was not crossfit but that should not mater. Its all membership based
X $0.00 to operate VS Y $0.00 of memberships. You need to be to get hard numbers on this, Believe me. I was not and suffered for a long 6 yrs, and still walked away with a large amount of $$ that I owe the bank. I would have loved to have read this before I made my 1st loan.
Not saying you cant do it because many people do, but if you looking for side cash, not planning on being there everyday yourself, walk away
Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:13 am to Contender01
What were the numbers you missed on that caused the problems?operating expenses?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:22 am to Mingo Was His NameO
If OP is serious, Alan Thrall and Brian Alsruhe both have multiple good YouTube videos detailing opening a gym and the issues you confront.
I'd recommend watching those plus a few videos Dave Tate has on building a small business.
They all lay out the difficulty and how it is something that doesn't happen without full commitment.
I'd recommend watching those plus a few videos Dave Tate has on building a small business.
They all lay out the difficulty and how it is something that doesn't happen without full commitment.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:10 pm to Rep520
Here are a few things
1 - the total numbers of members never did reach the number we needed, think about it this way everyday someone quits you need to sign 2 up to offset that. I did not realize the turn over was so high
2 - I really thought that the gym would run itself once established, not was not true
3 - Cost of payroll was a catch 22, cheap payroll did not get you new members, so had to higher better people at a higher $$, but that did not fit in to our P&L's
4 - To many gyms in the area I was in, and everyone walking though the door looking for a cheap price, this may not be the same with crossfit
hope this helps good luck
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1 - the total numbers of members never did reach the number we needed, think about it this way everyday someone quits you need to sign 2 up to offset that. I did not realize the turn over was so high
2 - I really thought that the gym would run itself once established, not was not true
3 - Cost of payroll was a catch 22, cheap payroll did not get you new members, so had to higher better people at a higher $$, but that did not fit in to our P&L's
4 - To many gyms in the area I was in, and everyone walking though the door looking for a cheap price, this may not be the same with crossfit
hope this helps good luck
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:33 pm to Contender01
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Cost of payroll was a catch 22, cheap payroll did not get you new members, so had to higher better people at a higher $$, but that did not fit in to our P&L's
Were they not 1099?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:No
Were they not 1099?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:29 am to AlxTgr
o and forgot, every member has there own opinion
Music/equipment/think they own the whole gym but always asking for discount, to hot to cold.
I had 5 HVAC units that were brand new when I moved in, always seemed to have a issue with one
Every employ has and issue,
Not saying this is not in all businesses I know it is, what I am saying like others said, its not hands off. matter of fact we were open 24/7 and would get calls in the middle of the night.
from cops to people being locked out. People sneaking other people in
Made me hate training, now I am out and I love that I am back training, actually do must of my training with 2-3 guys in a friends garage.
feel free to ask questions
Music/equipment/think they own the whole gym but always asking for discount, to hot to cold.
I had 5 HVAC units that were brand new when I moved in, always seemed to have a issue with one
Every employ has and issue,
Not saying this is not in all businesses I know it is, what I am saying like others said, its not hands off. matter of fact we were open 24/7 and would get calls in the middle of the night.
from cops to people being locked out. People sneaking other people in
Made me hate training, now I am out and I love that I am back training, actually do must of my training with 2-3 guys in a friends garage.
feel free to ask questions
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:06 am to Contender01
Good posts. A friend runs a CF gym here in town. A short summary of the problems confronted from that perspective:
1. How does your client base know you exist? A lot of people think this is a startup issue, but it's constant.
2. How do you turn uneducated people away from Globogym? Most average people go for the cheap memberships at generic chains and aren't particularly educated about fitness. The educated people have their own lane already.
3. CF gyms depend on the day to day operator. That's why I think the side hustle doesn't work. You have the vision that has to be communicated to members. If you just hire someone, you're betting a lot of money that there's a smart person with a compelling personality waiting for your call.
4. If you succeed, people will copy you and steal your market share. If it works too well, and you've identified a market deficiency, others will want in. Heck, the guy you hired to run day to day operations might want to start his own place and take all your members.
5. Attrition. Some people won't like what you do. Some will just move or have kids and lose interest. This means you have to be invested in constantly attacking problems 1-4.
My best summary of the issues I've seen, although not in my own life.
1. How does your client base know you exist? A lot of people think this is a startup issue, but it's constant.
2. How do you turn uneducated people away from Globogym? Most average people go for the cheap memberships at generic chains and aren't particularly educated about fitness. The educated people have their own lane already.
3. CF gyms depend on the day to day operator. That's why I think the side hustle doesn't work. You have the vision that has to be communicated to members. If you just hire someone, you're betting a lot of money that there's a smart person with a compelling personality waiting for your call.
4. If you succeed, people will copy you and steal your market share. If it works too well, and you've identified a market deficiency, others will want in. Heck, the guy you hired to run day to day operations might want to start his own place and take all your members.
5. Attrition. Some people won't like what you do. Some will just move or have kids and lose interest. This means you have to be invested in constantly attacking problems 1-4.
My best summary of the issues I've seen, although not in my own life.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:46 am to Rep520
so my neighbor had one and failed, some of his biggest issues were it was not his primary job.
he had issues having class times consistent where people could attend. Those that helped him coach were inconsistant also because they had their own lifes and jobs to tend to.
Also advertising is hard and CF type gyms are expensive for most people.
Biggest mistake was though, he had never programmed for big groups of trainees that are all different levels and have different goals. I heard constant complaints from friends that went there. Also he was not the most inshape guy and this rubbed many the wrong way.
he also didn't offer anything other than a the classes that made him stand out. No nutritional services, no supplement sevices etc but the biggest thing was performance wise people weren't hitting their goals. If you start posting on facebook about women doing dead hang pullups or muscleups, hitting aesthitic goals etc it draws buzz and gets your name out there.
SO bottom line unless you have lots of expierence of programming for a wide variety of trainees and understand how to break them up into groups....then don't do it. The best advertising is your clients and if they aren't making extreme progress in the aesthetic or performance departments then people will have no reason to come see you.
So before you committ to this understand it will need be a full time committment. Also understand on top of having a very very detailed business plan you will need to have a very very detailed programming plan and have any other services you plan to offer laid out in a very detailed plan.
he had issues having class times consistent where people could attend. Those that helped him coach were inconsistant also because they had their own lifes and jobs to tend to.
Also advertising is hard and CF type gyms are expensive for most people.
Biggest mistake was though, he had never programmed for big groups of trainees that are all different levels and have different goals. I heard constant complaints from friends that went there. Also he was not the most inshape guy and this rubbed many the wrong way.
he also didn't offer anything other than a the classes that made him stand out. No nutritional services, no supplement sevices etc but the biggest thing was performance wise people weren't hitting their goals. If you start posting on facebook about women doing dead hang pullups or muscleups, hitting aesthitic goals etc it draws buzz and gets your name out there.
SO bottom line unless you have lots of expierence of programming for a wide variety of trainees and understand how to break them up into groups....then don't do it. The best advertising is your clients and if they aren't making extreme progress in the aesthetic or performance departments then people will have no reason to come see you.
So before you committ to this understand it will need be a full time committment. Also understand on top of having a very very detailed business plan you will need to have a very very detailed programming plan and have any other services you plan to offer laid out in a very detailed plan.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 11:01 am to lsu777
Good summary. OP had said there really aren't other CR gyms in his area, but if there are, differentiating yourself is a big deal.
Here in Tucson, there are plenty of CF gyms. You have to do something different to stand out. In an area without Crossfit, he might be able to get by with just the branding. That's why I'd focused on him having more an issue with competitors if he succeeded.
Here in Tucson, there are plenty of CF gyms. You have to do something different to stand out. In an area without Crossfit, he might be able to get by with just the branding. That's why I'd focused on him having more an issue with competitors if he succeeded.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:20 pm to Rep520
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2. How do you turn uneducated people away from Globogym? Most average people go for the cheap memberships at generic chains and aren't particularly educated about fitness. The educated people have their own lane already.
This is the big issue. CF or other specialized program, how do you differentiate yourself enough to bring in "the novice gym goes who isn't ready for a lifestyle change" and keep them there and paying your premium membership over XXX generic big gym membership. Like you said the more educated folks are probably already someplace they like and already doing their own programming.
Even on this board it feels like more than half of the folks doing programming similar to CF workout at non CF associates facilities, including home gyms, that are probably significantly cheaper.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:24 pm to NOLALGD
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Even on this board it feels like more than half of the folks doing programming similar to CF workout at non CF associates facilities,
Just reading the CF thread where people post their workouts. A bunch are doing no type of lifting daily. Either shitty programming at their local gym but I lean to them doing home workouts like you said,
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
I noticed that too. We have at least 4 days of lifting per week.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:26 pm to AlxTgr
a lot of good info the post above,
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