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re: Worst rule in golf
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:12 pm to bopper50
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:12 pm to bopper50
Going to post on the original post as well as the divot guys post.
The ball is being hit into what more than likely is not even a part of the course so there is no way it can be played. It’s the harshest penalty in golf because you literally hit the ball off the course. Do you not want fairway bunkers too? We both hit great drives but my is 10 yards longer and rolls into a bunker. How’s that fair??? Silly right?
The divots will NEVER change. The tour players take advantage of every rule they can and this will slow down play and have players taking drops all over. How do you define your ball in a divot? Hanging on edge? What’s a divot? Sandy holes? A hole with grass?
The ball is being hit into what more than likely is not even a part of the course so there is no way it can be played. It’s the harshest penalty in golf because you literally hit the ball off the course. Do you not want fairway bunkers too? We both hit great drives but my is 10 yards longer and rolls into a bunker. How’s that fair??? Silly right?
The divots will NEVER change. The tour players take advantage of every rule they can and this will slow down play and have players taking drops all over. How do you define your ball in a divot? Hanging on edge? What’s a divot? Sandy holes? A hole with grass?
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Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:13 pm to BallChamp00
The worst rule in golf is being penalized for telling ur opponent what club you hit.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:16 pm to CnAzInCA
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Spanish Bay, one of the Pebble Beach courses along 17 Mile Drive, has some out of bounds areas due to rare or endangered grasses/ weeds. Adding insult to penalty, you may not retrieve your ball, even if is only an inch beyond the OB stakes and easily within arm’s reach. Doing so may result in immediate banishment without remuneration. What a horrible round I played there...
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:30 pm to CoachChappy
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Have you ever played a course with an internal OB? That’ll piss you off real quick
My dad worked at Frasch Park Golf Course for many years as I was growing up. There used to be a set of OB stakes between old #2 (now #11) and old #3 (now #12).
The company that comes out to certify the course or do the course rating would not rate the course because it is apparently a direct violation of the rules of golf. OB must be on the outer boundary of the property.
Frasch Park removed the OB between these 2 holes so they could get the course officially rated and planted a bunch of oak trees in that area. This was done to discourage it as a landing area on #11 and to stop people from cutting the corner on #12. Most longer hitters still cut the corner on #12 if they can work the ball either direction.
*I don't know if this is accurate but this is what the golf course was told in this situation.
**Side Note - One of my closest chances for a hole in one came on #12 which is a Par 4. I hit it on the green and it was only about 3 ft past the hole and from the line of travel had to have come very close to the cup. Imagine my first hole in one would have been on a Par 4.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:42 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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My line off the tee on 8 is 17 green. OB right would suck.
It was a short four. You could almost drive the green, but the sand trap right side , OB left and right side and trees lining both sides made a driver a tough shot.
The white stakes were on the second hole fairway along the tree line. Under those trees with no grass was tough.
I’ve never liked 8. The green was big and nice, but I’ve always thought they should have that pond right of the green tucked behind the fairway trap and a sand trap on the left side of the green and the left side of the fairway. No OB right.
Make the hole a three iron/ five wood off the tee or a high risk driver.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:11 pm to bopper50
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Player A hit his drive OB and had to re-tee. Player B knowing this now aims dead left and drives his ball into the lake knowing that he can take this distance.
Why would player B do this? Why not hit it short of the lake, and hit 2 from essentially the same place instead of 3?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:20 pm to medtiger
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Why would player B do this? Why not hit it short of the lake, and hit 2 from essentially the same place instead of 3?
Just an example.
Player B can aim dead left and if he pushes it, it might find the fairway. But either way, he has a distinct advantage over Player A.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:26 pm to bopper50
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The ball is being hit into what more than likely is not even a part of the course so there is no way it can be played. It’s the harshest penalty in golf because you literally hit the ball off the course. Do you not want fairway bunkers too
Quite a few Player and Golf purist have said over the year that the OB rule is too harsh.
And to my point, the new adaptation is even worse. Just like the new rule of taking a drop. Should have made it at least waist high, dropping from the knee looks silly on TV.
The new loose impediment rule and the new hazard rules are major improvements to the game.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:15 pm to bopper50
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Player B can aim dead left and if he pushes it, it might find the fairway. But either way, he has a distinct advantage over Player A.
If 2 players are on the green in regulation in match play, and player A putts first and runs it 10 feet past, player B can now just lag his putt instead of trying to make it. He has a distinct advantage over player A. That's part of the game in match play. In your example, player A is well aware that he gets a stroke and distance penalty for hitting the ball OB before he hits. Player B should get a distinct advantage.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:16 pm to bopper50
I don't know why OB isn't just played like a lateral hazard. You have the option to re-tee or just drop a couple of club lengths from where it went in. We play desert courses like this, and it makes the round much more enjoyable.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:27 pm to BallChamp00
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The ball is being hit into what more than likely is not even a part of the course so there is no way it can be played. It’s the harshest penalty in golf because you literally hit the ball off the course. Do you not want fairway bunkers too? We both hit great drives but my is 10 yards longer and rolls into a bunker. How’s that fair??? Silly right?
The divots will NEVER change. The tour players take advantage of every rule they can and this will slow down play and have players taking drops all over. How do you define your ball in a divot? Hanging on edge? What’s a divot? Sandy holes? A hole with grass?
The bunker thing makes no sense as it was clearly put there on purpose. The pace of play point is good though. It just sucks when you pipe one down the middle and then can't make good contact because its in a divot.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:48 pm to doubleb
Same hole. Right now, the smart play is driver into 2 fairway. Aim at 17 green and let it rip. Takes the street and bunker out of play. Leaves you about 100 yards or less into the green and the green opens up to that fairway better than 8 fairway.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 3:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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pipe one down the middle and then can't make good contact because its in a divot.
I’m just playing with friends in low wager games. Lately we roll it. They quit giving out sand or divot mix in March. No rakes for bunkers. We aren’t playing tournament conditions so we don’t worry about these things.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 3:19 pm to bopper50
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OB rule is too harsh
You’ve lost a golf ball. You’ve lost a stroke.
Why add another?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 3:56 pm to bopper50
quote:Well yeah, Player A just hit it OB
But either way, he has a distinct advantage over Player A
Posted on 6/30/20 at 4:29 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
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Same hole. Right now, the smart play is driver into 2 fairway. Aim at 17 green and let it rip. Takes the street and bunker out of play. Leaves you about 100 yards or less into the green and the green opens up to that fairway better than 8 fairway.
Exactly how we played it when they took down the OB right.
That’s why I thought a pond there would look better and defend the green better.
Make it a target hole with a well defended green
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:09 pm to BallChamp00
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It’s the harshest penalty in golf because you literally hit the ball off the course. Do you not want fairway bunkers too?
I'm surprised people are defending OB. I get that you've hit the ball off the course and deserve a harsh penalty, but stroke is enough IMO. Particularly on subdivision courses where OB is in play all over. It's way too penal in my view.
I agree with not changing the divot rule bc of the tour and taking advantage of it.
IMO the rule about being within two club lengths of the green and getting relief from a sprinkler head in your line of play should be modified from a local rule to a permanent rule. If I'm a foot off the green above the hole, tight lie, short sided I shouldn't be punished and forced to hit a more difficult shot because a sprinkler head happens to be between my ball and the hole. I should get nearest point
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:11 pm to DumpsterFire
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I don't know why OB isn't just played like a lateral hazard. You have the option to re-tee or just drop a couple of club lengths from where it went in. We play desert courses like this, and it makes the round much more enjoyable.
I agree and that is the point that Crenshaw was making.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:35 pm to bopper50
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The Out of Bounds rule is still the worst rule in golf even with the new changes.
I know you're talking about official rules, but my friends and I play down and distance with OB. Play it just like a water hazard.
We never retee.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 9:33 pm to bopper50
A lot of OBs are in trees or other side of trees.
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