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re: Worst rule in golf

Posted on 6/30/20 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by SamtheSham
In a greenside bunker
Member since Nov 2018
492 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 9:53 pm to
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I don't know why OB isn't just played like a lateral hazard. You have the option to re-tee or just drop a couple of club lengths from where it went in. We play desert courses like this, and it makes the round much more enjoyable.


So if there's high grass or underbrush that's in bounds and the ball may be lost or unplayable, how do you play that?
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
3905 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:42 am to
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So if there's high grass or underbrush that's in bounds and the ball may be lost or unplayable, how do you play that?


Those are two different scenarios.

A lost ball would be played like OB in his post- drop within 2 club lengths with a penalty stroke or retee.

An unplayable lie would be played as it is now- 1)drop within 2 club lengths of its position or 2)use the point where the ball is, go back as far as you want keeping that point between you and the hole and add a stroke to your score. Or 3), go back to your previous stroke location and no added penalty stroke.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:46 am to
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I know you're talking about official rules, but my friends and I play down and distance with OB. Play it just like a water hazard.


I bet this is what 90%+ amateur golfers do and the reason is obvious. If you’re playing on a crowded course, people are gonna be mad if you are hitting two shots and slowing the game down. Pace of play reasons it makes way more sense to drop up where your ball went OB
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3496 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:02 am to
quote:

A lost ball would be played like OB in his post- drop within 2 club lengths with a penalty stroke or retee.

Wouldn't a lost ball be retee and penalty stroke? Or drop with 2 penalty strokes?
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3496 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:23 am to
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We play desert courses like this, and it makes the round much more enjoyable

Some desert courses can be miserable if you're playing the desert OB. A lot have local rules asking players to play it as a lateral hazard to help pace of play
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54093 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:47 am to
I've always thought it was bullshite that you could rake a bunker and get it pristine after hitting out for the next guy.

A bunker is a hazard, it should be all fricked up in there.

My rule that sucks is being able to rake and make the bunkers prestine does not make sense. Get rid of the rakes.

I like the Pine Valley rule where they don't have any rakes on the course for bunkers, its left like it is and is an actual hazard.

A bunker should suck to hit out of and it should not be pristine when you land in there.

Just my opinion of course
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9139 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:17 am to
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A bunker is a hazard, it should be all fricked up in there.


You are getting your wish right now. with no rakes, there are so messed up lies.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:36 pm to
The problem with that is if I’m playing in a tournament, what is there stopping me for just hammering my feet deep in every bunker and making huge holes to screw up my opponents? The they are playing a much more difficult course than I am
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9139 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:35 pm to
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I like the Pine Valley rule where they don't have any rakes on the course for bunkers, its left like it is and is an actual hazard.


Waste areas and bunkers are 2 separate issues at most courses.

Raking the bunker for the players behind you is what makes the game great . Sportsmanship at its best is what sets Golf aside from other sports.

The fact that you can play the same course 7 days in a row and shoot 7 different scores is what makes us keep coming back.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 3:40 pm
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9139 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

The problem with that is if I’m playing in a tournament, what is there stopping me for just hammering my feet deep in every bunker and making huge holes to screw up my opponents? The they are playing a much more difficult course than I am.



Sportsmanship and risking disqualification from the event.

Golf is still a gentlemen's game and its still the only sport where you call a penalty on yourself.

That is what makes the game so frustrating and so enjoyable .
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:21 pm to
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Sportsmanship and risking disqualification from the event.

Golf is still a gentlemen's game and its still the only sport where you call a penalty on yourself.

That is what makes the game so frustrating and so enjoyable .

Agreed but you could make the same argument about the divot rule, at the end of the day in a competitive atmosphere players are going to do what’s legal and in their best interest of winning. It could definitely lead to some guys digging in a little deeper or taking a few more heavy steps in bunkers.

Hell last tournament Webb Simpson was caught on a mic asking about the last player to hit out of one of the bunkers because it was poorly raked. When they said it was Ortiz he said “Oh we’ll let him know about it”
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
600 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:29 am to
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The white stakes were on the second hole fairway along the tree line. Under those trees with no grass was tough.


I was money from under those old oak trees, mostly because I was always under those damn old oak trees. Lots of practice. Grip down on a five iron, slightly hooded club face, keep the club head low on a short take away, short follow through toward target. Run ups are ugly but they used to work at Webb.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 1:35 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36044 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:11 am to
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I was money from under those old oak trees, mostly because I was always under those damn old oak trees. Lots of practice. Grip down on a five iron, slightly hooded club face, keep the club head low on a short take away, short follow through toward target. Run ups are ugly but they used to work at Webb.


Yes, that was the shot. I usually used a three iron though.
You had no grass, all hard pan, tree roots snd with glass bits and rocks mixed in. Much of the dirt under the trees was trucked in ftom i-10 construction. It was not suitable materials but soneone needed a place to dump it. IMHO, that ruined the course.
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9139 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Agreed but you could make the same argument about the divot rule, at the end of the day in a competitive atmosphere players are going to do what’s legal and in their best interest of winning. It could definitely lead to some guys digging in a little deeper or taking a few more heavy steps in bunkers.


I agree the divot rule is awful. There is nothing fair and equitable about it.

First group off gets the pristine course and it is their obligation to keep it that way.

The last club that I belong to had a huge sand pile behind the clubhouse where the members could fill up their sand bottles on their private carts and some jackasses would ride around with full bottles of sand and never fix a divot.

Golf is a gentlemen's game, but not all players are gentlemen.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:32 am to
quote:

A bunker should suck to hit out of and it should not be pristine when you land in there.

Just my opinion of course


I advocate for wide toothed rakes. It makes the lies bad and an actual hazard, but it also keeps everyone on the same playing field.

They had them one year at the Memorial and all the pros were super butthurt about it
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16442 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:39 pm to
Totally agree. Pitiful rule.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15848 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:08 pm to
After storms, we have tons of limbs, pine cones, runoff areas, etc.

We kind of adjust things based on whether the course is presented in tournament conditions.

I’ve never seen the PGA guys have to really deal with the type of stuff club players encounter.
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